However, it appears you are fixed to have it that way at any cost.
When serious about searching, a steady read of primary sources helps rather than searching the Web for the sensational.

B. McCausland wrote:
Unfortunally, QC and Unprofitable, it appears... regretfully that some cannot leave a discussion without resorting to undercovered personal insult.

John UK wrote:
On the other hand, it does involve breaking God's law if you kill someone.

The date is obviously unknown and not even important, the event (which is NOT brought front and center except for this time of year) is of GREAT importance (which I showed earlier from Scripture.)Even when we celebrate another's birthday it is the event not the day that is important.

The reality of God's great condescension in our Lord's Incarnation should be a daily cause of celebration, thanksgiving, and worship. It is NOT a nothing to see here event. Obviously nothing else would have occured in the life of Christ without it.

Paul not only said God forbid that I should glory save in the cross, he also said I will glory in mine infirmities, that those saved under his ministry (ye are our glory) and the Christian actions of them (see II Cor 8&9) were cause for glorying.

All days are "holy days" for God's children.

B. McCausland wrote:
Please can you provide the primary sources for your information?

https://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/pdf/0205_hippolytus_commentary-on-daniel_2010.pdf?fbclid=IwAR11gvqaKZohqujy-046aLQ0xTKstalWIuQdRNtSspOLlIaGhFCnbWvXtN4

“Here is a quote from Hippolytus of Rome in his commentary on Daniel, written around 202 AD:

“For the first advent of our Lord in the flesh, when he was born in Bethlehem, was December 25th, Wednesday, while Augustus was in his forty-second year, but from Adam, five thousand and five hundred years. He suffered in the thirty-third year, March 25th, Friday, the eighteenth year of Tiberius Caesar, while Rufus and Roubellion were Consuls.”

“Here we have a claim from the very beginning of the third century that Christ was born on December 25th. This may or may not be the real date of Christ’s birth. But we do know that Christians were claiming this day as the date Christ was born at least as early as 202 AD.

1517 wrote:
Premillennialism is a rather new “doctrine”.

One of the many quotes from the article

"RIGHT-MINDED CHRISTIANS...ARE ASSURED THAT THERE WILL BE A RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, AND A THOUSAND YEARS IN JERUSALEM, WHICH WILL THEN BE BUILT ADORNED, AND ENLARGED, AS THE PROPHETS EZEKIEL AND ISAIAH AND OTHERS DECLARE." -- JUSTIN MARTYR (100-165 A.D.)

Philip Schaff, the dean of American church historians and himself a postrnillennialist, provided the following summary of the early church's view of the millennium: "The most striking point in the eschatology of the ante-Nicene age is the prominent chiliasm, or millenarianism, that is the belief of a visible reign of Christ in glory on earth with the risen saints for a thousand years, before the general resurrection and judgment. It was indeed not the doctrine of the church embodied in any creed or form of devotion, but a widely current opinion of distinguished teachers, such as Barnabas, Papias, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Methodius, and Lactantius."

Even the Monergism website references, why the early church fathers finally rejected Premillennialism.

s c wrote:
I posted this here around 6am est but ..I'll try again,,didn't show up
..still getting through with very naturally limited resources,,which is a miracle..still needing God to get me through these next 4 days especially

Yes, Susie, great observation, in fact in Philippians 2 it talks about our Lord being made in likeness of men that He might die for our sins, that also occurred at His birth.

Galatians 4:4 God sent forth His Son, made of a woman

Nicholas:  That wasn’t just about His coming was it Dr. Tim, it says made of a woman, that would have to be His birth also?

Dr. Tim:  That is correct Nicholas and when Paul wrote in Romans 1 that Christ was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, He was referring to His birth.

Hebrews 2 describes the birth our Lord in conjunction with His death on the cross saying that Jesus was made (at His birth) a little lower than the angels

How important is this, consider the words found in I John 4 that if we deny that the Lord came in the flesh (that would have occurred at His birth) is not of God.

Paul was talking about the important doctrines to the church stated in I Timothy 3:16 that one of them was God manifested in the flesh, which only occurred due to His birth in Bethlehem.

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah…out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel

Julie:  But wait, Dr. Tim that doesn’t talk about his birth

Dr. Tim: Ah but Julie, if we read in Matthew’s gospel that wise men came to Herod asking, Where is he that was  born. King of the jews, and the chief priest and wise men quote the verse found in Micah and when they were debating about whether or not Jesus was the Christ in John 7 they tied the verse in Micah to he birth.

Dr. Tim continued

The message of the angel to the Shepherds was said not to be to them alone but to all people

Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord,

The angel talking with Joseph about the birth of Christ told him

Matthew 1:21 and she shall bring forth a Son and thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sin

In fact the story of His birth in our Bible consumes 2 chapters in Matthew and 3 in Luke, it is no small event!

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

Susie:  That happened at the time of His birth right Dr. Tim?

Johnny: Dr. Tim, Dr. Tim, my Muslim friend says there was no virgin birth.

Dr. Tim: Unfortunately he is denying the doctrine of the virgin birth, not the narrative of the virgin birth.
Susie: Why are we talking about this now?

Dr. Tim: Well some well meaning Christians say this is just part of a narrative, or it doesn’t matter, or its significance was a one time event and probably didn’t happen during this time of year. They may be correct the date is unknown but the only time they discuss it is during the so called Christmas season, they don’t glory in it on other days so as to disassociate with the “pagan” holiday, they only bring it up to during the time of year in which both in the secular and sacred world there is focus in on it.

George: Are there verses in the Bible that emphasizes His birth, God leaving heaven to become a citizen of Earth seems like a big deal?

Dr. Tim: Good question George, let us see.

Isaiah 7:14 says a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given

Galatians 4:4,5

But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to REDEEM them that were under the law that we might receive the adoption of sons

John UK wrote:
"always room for improvement".
Bro, in my country I have been around churches long enough to know that the church - which is the people - remain the same from year to year. To my mind, that means they are saying, "I am fine, all my doctrine is fine....." Nothing ever changes. Well of course, if you are already perfect, nothing needs to change. But it seems you are like me, and see a great need of improvement, of an increase in holiness, of greater separation, of deeper sacrifice, of higher levels of worship, of better submission to the will of God, of a total submission to the word of God.
Well, let's take the last one, total submission to the word of God. Let's apply it to this day - December 25th - and ask how it is that so many Christians make a lot of this day without any biblical warrant, none whatsoever, zilch, zip, naught, nothing, zero.
Room for improvement there, eh?

John UK wrote:
Brother, I have great rejoicing in Jesus Christ and have much gratitude that he came into the world to save sinners. I am not of those who say, "I am fine, my doctrine is fine, my church is fine, my worship is fine, everything is fine."....

Frank wrote:
What an unusual disability you have! But, the Lord is in control and He will see you through it. I just prayed for you.
I pray all of my brothers and sisters have a Christ filled day and will worship Him in spirit and in truth.
Luke 17:10, if you are referring to this Frank, my email has been out for a while and I am in the process of setting up a new one. When I do that, I will once again post my email.Things like this don't come easy for us old-timers.

Joel wrote:
Everybody, are we talking about the birth of Christ or Santa’s Christmas, here? Luke 2:11 says nothing about Christmas...

John UK wrote:
If there was any honesty ...

s c wrote:
Sadly, it hasn't been in small degrees here. I have to be on top of the weather almost hourly because of a disability.
I am not set up for spring so am trusting God to see me through with what I have..for the next 5 days...has been 5 days, already of close to/or at 60F temps with lows only getting to mid 20s and 50s.
Please keep me in prayer..it is a life and death situation. I have to live at temps below a dry 48F.