B. McCausland wrote:
God given guidelines and utopias are two different things, they work against each other in a fallen world.
The difference is that God's guidelines contribute to the benefit and improvement of societies, while utopias as communism end in oppression, disillusion, disaster and dispair

Rather let us look at the teaching of Jesus Christ (which is Christianity) and see there the principles upon which God works. And we find it is upside down to what the world loves.

Matthew 6:24 KJV
(24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

B. McCausland wrote:
Would you rather have it like this?

What I find amazing is that you claim to know God's will for society, yet God doesn't bless his own will and it cannot be found anywhere in the world. Don't you think that strange, sister?

Now if biblical Christianity was to be taught, instead of the pat on the head, believe these things and you'll have a great and prosperous life, maybe the rich would have a change of heart, and try to see and understand their struggling brethren, and communicate. Instead of this, they hoard their earnings and use it for private hospital treatment, and then say, "Look at how God is looking after me."

Have you ever wondered why the Word/Faith people never hold meetings among the poor? It is because they have nothing to put in their big buckets which they normally carry around auditoriums and immediately deposit in their bank accounts. Most excellent capitalism! Free Enterprise! And nothing illegal about what they do. This is much better than getting hand-me-outs, eh? Indulgences is another method, no different.

Adriel wrote:
""Jayne Ozanne and former evangelical Steve Chalke also want the Government to take action against any prayer, private conversation and preaching which does not affirm homosexual or transgender lifestyles.""
PROOF if it was necessary that the CofE is the voice of the antichrist - NOT the voice of Jesus Christ.
Satan's followers have definitely infiltrated the CofE and turned their religion into the evil UNBiblical religion of satanic Liberalism.
May the Lord remove this evil works of Satan from what is called 'church' in the CofE.
GOD clearly States:-
Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
AND:-
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,"

B. McCausland wrote:
Do you reckon God's principles are worth taking on board in any society or country?
There you have your answer.
God did not intend man to function as a member of a communal which would take responsibility of his needs, but as an individual with personal accountability exercising personal initiative, discernment and judgement.
Surely the law included charitable guidelines for tragic outcomes, but not for the state to take over .
Modern demographics have distorted this picture shifting responsibilities to the state, to the point of having today 'Christian Socialists' in the milenial rank of the evangelicals

Nick wrote:
Hope this is more effective than the Flu vaccine. The one in my family who gets the Flu the most is the one who gets the vaccine.

B. McCausland wrote:
John, when free enterprise works it takes care of all those instances, but from different means, and angles because,
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B. McCausland wrote:
Yes, this is the point, when taxes are used to redistribute wealth, provide Healthcare and hand outs, administer education, regulate policy, exercise charity and impose life styles, etc...
The only role of the state is to punish evil, as given in Rom 13, not to be the all in all benefactor.

And are you saying that we ought go back to those dreadful days when the poor in society could not access any medical treatment or a dentist because of the cost?

And that if your house was on fire, all you could expect was a little help from neighbours with buckets of water, and no-one was there who could rescue granny from her top floor apartment, so she died.

And there would be no free loan of books from places like libraries?

And many children would never attend a school because their parents could not afford to pay for their education?

And a man who had been mugged and left half dead in the street could expect no help from the guv, even though he could never work again due to his injuries?

Dr. Tim wrote:
A denomination that teaches salvation by works (baptism and “persevering to the end) may be religious, but it isn’t Christian.

Frank wrote:
Yes brother, I remember in communist Romania that the local authorities had to approve sermons; it was illegal to witness outside a church setting; and it was illegal to sell or print Christian books.
What we are seeing is the beginning of the end brother.

I was thinking yesterday about how long it would take for a steam locomotive to get up enough steam for it to start work. I concluded a lot longer than it would take for a diesel locomotive to be ready for action.

The Almighty is getting up steam, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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Colin wrote:
Good point Adriel didn’t even think of that.

The wording seems like Adriel did not even think of that.

Chrisgp from England wrote:
...into requiring vaccines to carry some kind of permanent identity marker or luminous dye, and to make the vaccine mandatory for all with no exceptions allowed, but even for any religious reasons.

Will the vaccines be compulsory?

"No. It will be optional and offered first to those who could benefit the most, such as the elderly and healthcare workers."

"England’s Health Secretary Matt Hancock has confirmed: “We are not proposing to make this compulsory – not least because I think the vast majority of people are going to want to have it.”"

"If it becomes available, children will not routinely be offered it because they are low risk."

Frank wrote:
Perfectly said Pilgrim! The below will become a reality one of these days. We are to not love anyone more than the Lord; our spouses, parents or siblings, etc.
Matthew 10:21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.”

John Yurich USA wrote:
And how will the government of Scotland and Britain know what was discussed in private residential domiciles?

I'm glad you don't think I am stupid.

Rather you think I am just "full of programming that influences my thoughts and decisions accordingly".

Well if God is sovereign in the way that you believe he is sovereign, then there is nothing to be done about it.

And then you think that "it is my fault if I stay in that spot and do not attempt to search out the truth".

And then you ask "Does man have the ability to make decisions outside of God's influence?"

You see the problem? You say one thing and then immediately turn it upside down by saying something contrary.

Besides which, great tomes have been written over many centuries on the subject of God's sovereignty, and yet you expect answers to several questions about it in one small post? If I took that information to a spiritual shrink, he would brand you as quite spiritually abnormal.

Watcher wrote:
Please try to understand and don't read between the lines as most do. I will try to be clear. The governments of the world are corrupt. They don't care about you, only your money and subservience. They will elect whom they want to elect and there's nothing you can do to prevent that from happening. If you think you live under a democracy, then you are naive and living in a fairy tale land. There is no such thing as a democracy on earth. There never was. If you don't believe me, then try and force your MLA/Senator or elected official to work on your behalf at the risk of losing his job and you'll see what happens. I've been there and KNOW for a fact, that I mean nothing to the government. My elected representatives are nothing more than cardboard cutouts and have no power to do anything but ensure they have a long career and a good retirement fund. This is reality. Trump, Biden, or whoever are spokesmen for those they serve, and the powers that run the show on this earth will put in power he/she who will fulfill their plans accordingly.

Watcher wrote:
All I'm saying is this whole process of electing officials is a farce.