Grace Community Church, LA County square off in court
LiMandri leaned on what he called the church‚Äôs roster of experts, who said that there was little chance of thousands who have been attending indoor services for the past seven weeks would increase community spread of the virus.
None of the parishioners have gotten sick, he said.
The church‚Äôs experts, he said, note that most people survive the virus in the first place.
‚ÄúHow can they justify shutting down the churches when the survival rate was 99.35%?‚ÄĚ he said, adding there are less restrictive means such as temperature checks that could keep tabs on parishioners and argued that there were studies that showed that after June churches were not major spreaders of the virus....
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This applies to the September 13th meeting at John's Church.
Warren Throckmorton wrote: On Fox News Thursday night, John MacArthur said he is planning to have church on Sunday despite the California Superior Court preliminary injunction barring indoor church. Watch:...
excerpt from, "John MacArthur Plans to Hold Church in Defiance of Court Injunction; Keeps Using Wrong COVID-19 Stats"
This plandemic and demand to 'lock down' America is part of their plan to destroy this nation and bring it to nothing so they can 'rebuild it their way'. It's called the global reset, search out the matter for yourself. They knew this virus was coming, the patent by Moderna was applied for in March of 2019, a YEAR before the virus was unleashed on the public.A quote from Moderna written into the patent application states "because of a concern for re-emergence or a ***deliberate release*** of sars coronavirus vaccine development was initiated." This whole thing was planned from the beginning, decades in the making.
Jim Lincoln wrote: By the way, excerpt from, "Fauci says normal life may not be back until the end of 2021" https://tinyurl.com/y275b68y
Who cares what Fauci says? Other than that might be when he anticipates a vaccine? What he has said so far rather diminishes what he says now. He's a bureaucrat, not a doctor. Normal life will return when people hang up the fears they've been manipulated into having
from your post: Amanda Watts wrote: .... Debunking nonsense [Dr. Anthony Fauci]
Wrong brackets, Jim. Should be: Debunking nonsense (Dr. Anthony Fauci)
Amanda Watts wrote: .... Debunking nonsense [Dr. Anthony Fauci] ....
And people are spreading misinformation, making the virus even harder to fight.
"The one thing that bothers me is the amount of things that aren't evidence-based, and we've seen examples of that in the United States like claims that certain drugs have a great positive effect when there's no scientific evidence whatsoever that they have a positive effect," Fauci said.
"And yet it gets ingrained and I and my colleagues have to spend a lot of time trying to debunk that. And you're in the middle of a pandemic and you're trying hard to address all the appropriate issues, it is truly a waste of time to have to debunk nonsense."
Fauci also cautioned that just because coronaviruses are in the spotlight, people should not forget the flu....
excerpt from, "Fauci says normal life may not be back until the end of 2021"
Alejandro Molina wrote: .... In the statement, the county noted that more than 6,000 Los Angeles County residents have died from the virus.
‚ÄúWe went to court only after significant efforts to work with the leaders of Grace Community Church to protect public health,‚ÄĚ the statement read.¬†
‚ÄúWe now look forward to working with church leaders on a plan to move services outdoors with physical distancing and the use of face coverings, which will allow worshipers to gather for religious observances in a manner that is lower risk and consistent with public health directives.‚ÄĚ...
excerpt from, "Judge grants injunction barring John MacArthur, Grace Community Church from meeting indoors"
I praise God for the church that Wayfarer Pilgrim goes to in Lubbock, Texas, as well as those churches in California and elsewhere that are making a stand against the unwarranted intrusion of the government in worship. Here in Britain, the churches are completely supine, sometimes even exceeding government requirements, eg requiring masks, for some weeks before the government made them compulsory, or in March closing down before it was eventually required, or interfering with their communion practices before that was mentioned by the government. I have heard of one or two churches discreetly singing when this is not allowed, but this is very rare. Generally, if things are done very discreetly here in England, they are not usually policed too much, though Scotland and Wales with their leftist governments are more stringent. Sadly churches like mine, (only having one live in person service on Sunday mornings), stick to the rules like glue, and others like the large church I used to attend in the East Midlands city when I lived there have not even reopened, and their witness is silent!!
Warren Throckmorton wrote: I need to research this a bit more but so far the only definition on the CDC website of a pandemic I found is this one:
" Pandemic refers to an epidemic that has spread over several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people. Epidemics occur when an agent and susceptible hosts are present in adequate numbers, and the agent can be effectively conveyed from a source to the susceptible hosts."
excerpt from, "John MacArthur Doubles Down on No Pandemic Claim "
https://tinyurl.com/y5kn9tqx . Warren correct John on several of his errors in this post.
‚ÄĘ White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci confirmed on Tuesday that more than 180,000 people in the U.S. have died from Covid-19. ‚ÄĘ Fauci‚Äôs comments come after some have claimed a new CDC update indicates only 6% of the nation‚Äôs total reported Covid-19 deaths were actually from the virus, and the remaining percent died of ‚Äúother serious illnesses.‚ÄĚ ‚ÄĘ At least 183,600 people have died from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of Tuesday, accounting for just over 21% of the globe‚Äôs total reported deaths. .... On Sunday [last Sunday?], Twitter removed a post retweeted by Trump that claimed the CDC had ‚Äúquietly‚ÄĚ updated its guidance to indicate only 6% of the country‚Äôs coronavirus death toll ‚ÄĒ roughly 9,000 deaths ‚ÄĒ was actually caused by the virus, according to a CNN report. The tweet said the remaining 94% had ‚Äúother serious illnesses.‚ÄĚ ...
excerpt from, "Fauci debunks theories of low CDC coronavirus death toll: ‚ÄėThere are 180,000-plus deaths‚Äô in U.S."
Gargano wrote: "What MacArthur seems to be unaware of is that most of those people would be alive today if they had not contracted COVID-19." You can never prove this, and you know it. There is no scientific evidence that if someone died from Covid, they would of survived the flu,or even a common cold. All nursing homes experience death on a weekly basis, that is just the reality from beginning of time, check the stats from 1994, 2005, 2018, old people (the most common group affected by covid) die from all sorts of diseases, strong and weak. In 2020, sinners are coming to grips with death, something in their wealth and prosperity have largely ignored. Now Majority of the world understands, tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Everyone knows no one died before Covid19 came along. All would still be alive. Just ask Jim/Lincoln or Creepy Joe Biden.
My wife and I are going to church. We‚Äôre Not wearing masks, we‚Äôre singing, we‚Äôre listening to good gospel preaching . The only difference is we have single family pews, and if you bring a friend or a visitor comes.. their part of the family and if a late comer comes in , we have room for them as well. Our restrictions are we sit on every other pew. That‚Äôs it. We meet for Sunday school, Awanas, Mother‚Äôs Day Out. Lubbock is a hot spot. We meet for church. And that‚Äôs what happens in Lubbock Texas . Praise the Lord , and the fact that we do best to elect representatives of the county. There is a difference in state governances. States that have fought for independence most often have a history of what it means to be owned by someone else. California was a won land victory after the Mexican/ American war. They went from one master to another.
"What MacArthur seems to be unaware of is that most of those people would be alive today if they had not contracted COVID-19."
You can never prove this, and you know it.
There is no scientific evidence that if someone died from Covid, they would of survived the flu,or even a common cold. All nursing homes experience death on a weekly basis, that is just the reality from beginning of time, check the stats from 1994, 2005, 2018, old people (the most common group affected by covid) die from all sorts of diseases, strong and weak.
In 2020, sinners are coming to grips with death, something in their wealth and prosperity have largely ignored. Now Majority of the world understands, tomorrow is not guaranteed.
Warren Throckmorton wrote: .... MacArthur cited a recent CDC report on causes of COVID-19 deaths (Here is the CDC report in question [ https://tinyurl.com/y66dsnhj ]). It provides the comorbid conditions for the vast majority of deaths triggered by COVID-19. COVID-19 and something else contributed to most deaths. What MacArthur seems to be unaware of is that most of those people would be alive today if they had not contracted COVID-19.
What is embarrassing for MacArthur is that this has been known for months. The CDC has released reports [ https://tinyurl.com/ycru96jm ] before showing the underlying health conditions of deaths and hospitalized patients.¬† Yet, in ominous tones, MacArthur makes it appear he is revealing some previously concealed truth. While his scary announcement may serve his persecution narrative, it also makes his congregation and followers more vulnerable to the virus....
excerpt from, "John MacArthur: There is No Pandemic"