4 priceless gems from two recent live-streamed services, but with a live congregation (masked of course, as required by the church elders, not compulsory by the government though strongly recommended).
The opening prayer by the pastor âGod, thou seest our facesâ. This is very true, even if the congregation is masked, but it seems very sad that the congregation have to worship wearing masks. In the main pastoral prayer, âLord we thank Thee for the liberty that we have to meet and worship Theeâ, but actually liberty with many restrictions. Before a hymn, âWe will now sing hymn xxx, oh, we canât sing, let us contemplate the words of hymn xxxâ. But pastor, the congregation is masked!! Finally, the deputy pastor before a last hymn, lost the plot altogether, completely forgot â We will now sing hymn xxxâ. How strange, how dystopian, how sad!! Have things come to such a pass as this? May the Lord guide us in these strange times.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Only in some circumstances obeying the government command is something that God may want you to do https://tinyurl.com/zwg8o3o (Rendering To Caesar---A Biblical Perspective On Government)
My comments was in regards to mike saying medical. Thus what Goverments say FOR him or me to do with my body. I am to pay tax give honour to a degree. If my goverment want me to kill someone i am to disobey. Not hard. If my goverment wants me to do what God tells me NOT to do I am to disobey. Not hard.. Mental health bill. If I am judged a nut they can force people to take a nuro link chip to help me in my extreme views social credit scoring coming soon?. You should be ok Jim or who ever you are, hiding behind the screen. A sermon au staff.Maybe? đ
Thanks, Chrisgp. Grateful for your and John UK's insight on what is happening in the UK.
We left the realm of GB back in the 18th Century in part because of the threat to religious liberty in light of the law that established the RC as the state church of Quebec. We too now have lost that liberty, supposedly enshrined in our Bill of Rights, by stealing it away from ourselves. May the Lord Grant us here in the States and you all in the UK the courage to stand for the Gospel even if it hurts.
HerbalMama wrote: Now Mike, you know Romans 13 forbids such a thing.
You know it is better to obey GOD than men. đ. Give unto leaders what are leaders, and give unto God Almighty Jesus that which are His..Your body is not your own, it belongs to Jesus, let no man touch it, no darts PLEASE either spiritual or physical. PEACE and Grace on the Israel of God...
âAnd all this assembly shall know that the LORD saveth not with sword and spear: for the battle is the LORD'S, and he will give you into our hands.â â 1 Samuel 17:47 (KJV)
Rejoice in the Lord and again I say rejoice..Sing praises in your hearts untinthe Lord yes Lord Jesus Christ. Make melody not anything else. Spiritual as appposed to carnal ones. Doctrinally sounds ones like Issac Watts, Luther. A Might fortress is our God.. Though with deviks filled. Amen. Sold out for Jesus..
âMy Kingdom is Not of This Worldâ "But our Lord did not intend to teach that the kings of this world have nothing to do with religion, and ought to ignore God altogether in the government of their subjects. No such idea, we may be sure, was in His mind. He knew perfectly well that it was written, "By Me kings reign" (Prov 8:15), and that kings are as much required to use their influence for God, as the meanest subjects. He knew that the prosperity of kingdoms is wholly dependent on the blessing of God, and that kings are as much bound to encourage righteousness and godliness, as to punish unrighteousness and immorality. To suppose that He meant to teach Pilate that, in His judgment an infidel might be as good a king as a Christian, and a man like Gallio as good a ruler as David or Solomon, is simply absurd.
Let us carefully hold fast the true meaning of our Lord's words in these latter days. Let us never be ashamed to maintain that no Government can expect to prosper which refuses to recognise religion, which deals with its subjects as if they had no souls, and cares not whether they serve God, or Baal, or no God at all. Such a Government will find, sooner or later, that its line of policy is suicidal, and damaging to its best interests." (JCRyle)
Sorry the article didnât mention the government involved, but from the context it is the main British Government, under PM Boris Johnson, based in Whitehall and Westminster, which regulates these issues in England. These regulations only apply to England, and Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have devolved governments, that make up their own regulations. As far as I know, any concessions on singing are not likely to be extended in a hurry to these three other devolved countries, as the governments there tend to a more leftist position than that of the main U.K. government, and tend to be stricter than England in such matters.
Sadly, pastors here, even in the evangelical world have been very silent on these issues. We also have had the complications of a local lockdown in the city of Leicester, and possible future lockdowns in certain other cities in the North and Midlands where COVID 19 cases have risen.
Thanks, for all who comment here, including, Jim, the excellent verses from Psalm 95, 1-4. Yes, Quiet Christian and John UK, sadly, âmodernâ Christianity does lack the solid doctrine and the courage of past Christian believers, and the CCM model which uses âprofessionalâ, but not very professional sounding musicians and worship leaders singing their emotional, often poo
It is harf to tell from the article which "Government" is making this decree. It would seem to be from the UK.
Christians at directed to sing by our Lord in multiple places in His word. While the more contemporary worship styles are removing this activity leaving the congregation listening to the band's performance and perhaps a third mumbling the words, this too is an attack on prescribed worship. Psalm 92:1 applies. The UK govt is only trying to codify this trend. It turns the work of worship into a leisure activity, which is not what the Lord's day was intended to be.
1. O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation. 2. Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving, and make a joyful noise unto him with psalms. 3. For the Lord is a great God, and a great King above all gods. 4. In his hand are the deep places of the earth: the strength of the hills is his also. ---KJV
Just don't be so loud to triggers a noise pollution ordinances of the neighborhood.
Chrisgp from England wrote: When will this unwarranted intrusion by government in Christian worship on the excuse of âhealth energencyâ end? C H Spurgeon, and may I I say, the 19th century Reformed Bishop of Liverpool, J C Ryle, would be shocked by all this. During pandemics in the 16th to 18th centuries, churches were open, and ministers, often at the risk of their lives, and their church members were witnessing and ministering to the sick people, and to healthy people alike.
Ah, those were the days, Chrisgp. Days when Christians loved not their lives unto death. Today's Christians are more often than not hedonists, who love this present world far more than heaven, and so they will hang on to their life here with everything they have. And so they will disobey the teachings of Jesus out of self-interest, and self-sacrifice will become more and more unknown to them.
This is a little crack perhaps in the perverse interference of Christian worship carried out by governments even in âfree democraticâ countries.
Singing by âprofessionalâ singers outside may seem to be welcome; or even allowing a cantor behind a screen to sing inside. However, many churches do not use choirs or âprofessionalâ singers, but only congregational worship, like mine, (not having live in church services at present), the Met Tab, and those of our unaccompanied Psalm singing friends, so these churches have to continue with the indignity of either eliminating sung worship altogether or sitting in masked silence while recorded hymns are played!!
I notice the Church of England authorities as per usual have exceeded the government restrictions by banning outdoor services except in land directly owned or managed by them!!
When will this unwarranted intrusion by government in Christian worship on the excuse of âhealth energencyâ end? C H Spurgeon, and may I I say, the 19th century Reformed Bishop of Liverpool, J C Ryle, would be shocked by all this. During pandemics in the 16th to 18th centuries, churches were open, and ministers, often at the risk of their lives, and their church members were witnessing and ministering to the sick people, and to healthy people alik