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FRIDAY, APR 24, 2020  |  72 comments
New Bible translation scrubs references to Israel
A new Danish Bible omits the word "Israel" from its pages. Publishers claim that the modern nation of Israel and the ancient kingdom of Israel have nothing to do with each other.

Breaking Israel News reports that the Danish Bible Society, run by the Evangelical Lutheran Church, recently released a revised New Testament. It translates the famous Greek phrase "Kaine Diatheke" from Luke 22:20 as "the New Agreement," among other substantial changes.


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News Item4/29/2020 8:45 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
danfromtenn wrote:
Thanks for posting all of the verses of that wonderful hymn, brother John. I trust that they are from those that the Count originally penned. Only one of the three hymnals in my possession even has it and it has verses 1 and 2 which match what you posted. But 3 and 4 in no way compare. They both start with "I believe".
Hi Dan,

If you want to do some research, here is the site from where I got the words. On this page, you can compare several different hymnbooks, and see if you can find the absolute original words from Zinzendorf himself.

https://hymnary.org/text/jesus_thy_blood_and_righteousness/compare

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News Item4/29/2020 8:00 AM
danfromtenn | Tennessee  Find all comments by danfromtenn
Thanks for posting all of the verses of that wonderful hymn, brother John. I trust that they are from those that the Count originally penned. Only one of the three hymnals in my possession even has it and it has verses 1 and 2 which match what you posted. But 3 and 4 in no way compare. They both start with "I believe".
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News Item4/28/2020 1:38 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Lurker, the great thing about the simplicity that is in Christ is its great simplicity. What more can be said? I have nothing. So we may end on a historic high note, praising the Lord for his great grace, his redemptive purposes, and his great achievements at the cross (or whatever else you care to call it).
Thanks John,

I'll leave you with a few texts to think about and encourage you to consider if there is a common denominator:

Ezek 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

Deut 32:2-3 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass: Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Stay well brother.

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News Item4/28/2020 12:03 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
danfromtenn wrote:
Thanks for posting the first verse of this hymn! It had been a while since I'd heard it so I immediately searched and listened to a congregational singing of it. What a blessing!
Dan, it is also a long time since I sung this hymn by Count Zinzendorf, but it is no doubt a very powerful hymn, and a mighty blessing to the believing soul. I'm glad it brought back some memories for you.

1 Jesus, thy blood and righteousness
my beauty are, my glorious dress;
'midst flaming worlds, in these arrayed,
with joy shall I lift up my head.

2 Bold shall I stand in thy great day;
for who aught to my charge shall lay?
Fully absolved through these I am
from sin and fear, from guilt and shame.

3 When from the dust of death I rise
to claim my mansion in the skies,
e'en then this shall be all my plea,
Jesus hath lived, hath died, for me.

4 Jesus, be endless praise to thee,
whose boundless mercy hath for me,
for me a full atonement made,
an everlasting ransom paid.

5 O let the dead now hear thy voice;
now bid thy banished ones rejoice;
their beauty this, their glorious dress,
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness.

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News Item4/28/2020 9:34 AM
James Thomas | Fla  Find all comments by James Thomas
Great verse Doc,

Peter spoke on those words found in Isaiah as well.

1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

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News Item4/28/2020 8:02 AM
danfromtenn | Tennessee  Find all comments by danfromtenn
John UK wrote:
Jesus, Thy blood and righteousness
My beauty are, my glorious dress;
‚ÄėMidst flaming worlds, in these arrayed
With joy shall I lift up my head.
Thanks for posting the first verse of this hymn! It had been a while since I'd heard it so I immediately searched and listened to a congregational singing of it. What a blessing!
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News Item4/28/2020 5:41 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
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News Item4/28/2020 3:55 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Excellent commentary, John. He took the curse of the law, the letter of the law, death itself out of the way nailing it to His cross.
Unless you have something else to add regarding the blood shed at Calvary, I think we're done here.
Lurker, the great thing about the simplicity that is in Christ is its great simplicity. What more can be said? I have nothing. So we may end on a historic high note, praising the Lord for his great grace, his redemptive purposes, and his great achievements at the cross (or whatever else you care to call it).
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News Item4/27/2020 11:01 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Lurker, the passage you put up is a most wonderful passage for any believer to behold, for it shows him that the law now has no more power to condemn, for it has been satisfied by the Lamb of God, it has done its work, it has killed, it has sent to the grave, on behalf of all those for whom Christ died.
The handwriting is all blotted out and can no longer be read. The law of commandments is scratched out, the believer is brought out from under them; he is no more under the law as a means of justification. He never was, never will be. Rather, all the work is done by the Lord Jesus. He has fulfilled the law by keeping it, and imputes to the believer his own righteousness. He has paid the debt of the broken law, by paying the price himself, as he became the sacrificial Lamb of God.
Excellent commentary, John. He took the curse of the law, the letter of the law, death itself out of the way nailing it to His cross.

Unless you have something else to add regarding the blood shed at Calvary, I think we're done here.

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News Item4/27/2020 4:00 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker, the passage you put up is a most wonderful passage for any believer to behold, for it shows him that the law now has no more power to condemn, for it has been satisfied by the Lamb of God, it has done its work, it has killed, it has sent to the grave, on behalf of all those for whom Christ died.

The handwriting is all blotted out and can no longer be read. The law of commandments is scratched out, the believer is brought out from under them; he is no more under the law as a means of justification. He never was, never will be. Rather, all the work is done by the Lord Jesus. He has fulfilled the law by keeping it, and imputes to the believer his own righteousness. He has paid the debt of the broken law, by paying the price himself, as he became the sacrificial Lamb of God.

No wonder someone penned the lines,

Jesus, Thy blood and righteousness
My beauty are, my glorious dress;
‚ÄėMidst flaming worlds, in these arrayed
With joy shall I lift up my head.

The blood takes my sins away, and his righteousness is the wedding garment which makes me fit for heaven.

Miss out on either, and you miss out completely.

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News Item4/27/2020 1:14 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
One thing that puzzles me, Lurker. Are you claiming that there is not one scripture which shows that the shedding of blood on the cross is the solution to our great need of forgiveness and redemption?
John, here is what Paul had to say about what happened on the cross:

Col 2:11-15 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

**Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;**

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Now if the shedding of His blood on the cross was the definite article for the remission of sin, it seems Paul missed an excellent opportunity to wax eloquent right here.

That said, I'll leave it to you to make a case if you choose and know that I am not above correction.

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News Item4/27/2020 9:42 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Quite right, John. I was just asking what you thought about it.
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News Item4/27/2020 8:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Wow Mike, you ought know the answer to that one. Of course not!
Quite right, John. I was just asking what you thought about it.
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News Item4/27/2020 8:04 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Here's a question, John. If the Lord shed his blood on the wooden thing as payment for your sins, but did not resurrect, would you be saved?
Wow Mike, you ought know the answer to that one. Of course not!
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News Item4/27/2020 8:01 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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What I am finding though, as I seek the truth on different matters, is that whenever a tradition without a biblical warrant has gotten a firm hold on the minds of Christians, it is difficult to wrench them from it.
The general idea is to find the truth and promote it. If that means engaging in debate and discussion, that is fine by me, because there is a biblical warrant to doing so.
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Here's a question, John. If the Lord shed his blood on the wooden thing as payment for your sins, but did not resurrect, would you be saved?
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News Item4/27/2020 7:03 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Luke 18:9
And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
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News Item4/27/2020 3:05 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker, thanks for your polite, civil and refrained answer, yet your interpretation about my position taken regarding your speculations is totally out.

Sorry to say that, besides the useless creations of strawmen you present, your theories, queries and speculations strand outside the realm of Biblical correctness and revelation.

What you are tending to is not thinking outside the box of tradition, but thinking outside the box of revelation, which thing is dangareous. No desire to enter there. Some going about vain questions, says Scripture, stranded out from the faith.

Take care

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News Item4/27/2020 2:57 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
It is strange, though, how you and John have been going on for days, patting each other on the back, about the virtues of thinking outside of the box of tradition but when someone else does it and it doesn't fit in your box it's heresy.
Lurker, it is surely far more important to be thinking about the truth of scripture rather than thinking outside the box of tradition?

Just because something is traditional does not guarantee it is heretical or contains error. Many traditions are fine and lovely.

What I am finding though, as I seek the truth on different matters, is that whenever a tradition without a biblical warrant has gotten a firm hold on the minds of Christians, it is difficult to wrench them from it.

The general idea is to find the truth and promote it. If that means engaging in debate and discussion, that is fine by me, because there is a biblical warrant for doing so.

One thing that puzzles me, Lurker. Are you claiming that there is not one scripture which shows that the shedding of blood on the cross is the solution to our great need of forgiveness and redemption?

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News Item4/26/2020 11:06 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
B. McCausland wrote:
Lurker, the harrasing tone of your remarks does not merit trust for further dialogue.
Typical.

If pressing someone to defend their assertions from scripture is harassing then I plead guilty. If it generates heat under your collar then that's on you. My best guess is you are unable to answer the hard questions I pose so you chose to attack me, my motives and my salvation instead.

It is strange, though, how you and John have been going on for days, patting each other on the back, about the virtues of thinking outside of the box of tradition but when someone else does it and it doesn't fit in your box it's heresy. Strange indeed.

Well, sister B, our previous brief exchange ended with a pleasant tone but this one..... not so much. But thanks for your time anyway.

You take care and stay well.

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News Item4/26/2020 10:17 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Lurker, the harrasing tone of your remarks does not merit trust for further dialogue.

The Scriptures you mentioned did not contradict themselves, only they explained two different aspects of the same matter. You wanted to make them contradict to create an argument or better a strawman.
There is no point wasting time here answering or elaborating on everyone of the fancies you chose to bring about in a 'moving the post' game.

You have sustained in the past heretical views with your reasonings and there is no intend here to feed conversation with the same.

The blood of Christ was real by which, the Scriptures say, Christ himself entered the heavens having obtained for us eternal redemption by it.
You take it or leave it, but splitting hairs about it would hardly proceed from faith.
What it does not proceed of faith is sin, says Scripture, so see by yourself if your argumentation proceeds from other intent than faith.

With this stated, there is hardly justification for debate to proceed on.

You may continue on if you wish reinventing the wheel regarding the work of redemption.

As Christ refused to engage, Luke 23:9 & 32, so it be.

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