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Feminist Steinem: Defending Unborn Is Patriarchal, Oppressive
Pro-abortion, feminist stalwart Gloria Steinem has been relatively quiet in recent years. But she re-surfaced recently to promote a new Hollywood biopic about her life, The Glorias, and to vent about the supposedly patriarchal, oppressive, and even Hitler-esque spirit she implies drives America’s pro-life movement.

In a January 29 interview with Variety magazine, “Steinem said Americans have yet to realize that controlling reproduction [i.e., abortion] is the top priority of any oppressive government, and the very definition of the patriarchy,” reported the entertainment magazine.

“I hope we understand, or begin to understand, that every totalitarian, authoritarian racist, caste, as in India — every hierarchical structure begins with controlling reproduction,” declared the 85-year-old Steinem. “It isn’t the side issue, it’s the basic issue.” ...


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John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Dr Tim...

Why worry about it? I can’t idly stand by as others espouse false doctrine which others might hear and fall for. Life isn’t a fatalistic puppet show. We can and must believe on the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. Obey and be saved or don’t believe and be judged for your sins, it’s up to you!

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News Item2/8/2020 11:41 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Yes, Bible says all but eight were drowned, which proves a remnant saved according to the election of grace. Speculation is going beyond Scripture. Saying he could do something he will not do is speculation, no?
Ah yes, I think I see what you are saying, Mike.

So when you said, "The scenario where God could destroy all and it would be just is not in the realm of possibility anyway. Contrary to his nature," you are not saying that wiping out almost all the world is contrary to his nature, but wiping out all the world without leaving a remnant is against his nature.

So, his nature is to be gracious to some, always.

Yes, I can go along with that, bro.

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News Item2/8/2020 11:37 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
This is not meant as criticism, but rather as a sincere question. J4J and JUK, the last time(s) y’all had this argument, neither of you changed his views one iota. Do you think the results will be any different this time? If not, why drag it out?
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News Item2/8/2020 11:15 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Mike, I am mystified when you say "it is clear there is no scenario where he would".
Do you not believe that God drowned to death the entire population of the planet earth bar eight souls? This is not speculating, this is biblical truth.
Yes, Bible says all but eight were drowned, which proves a remnant saved according to the election of grace. Speculation is going beyond Scripture. Saying he could do something he will not do is speculation, no?

Genesis 8:21
"And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done."

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News Item2/8/2020 7:45 AM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
“And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:9-14‬

Trusting in your own righteousness for salvation isn’t going to work. Even if you give thanks to God for not making you like all of the other sinners. One must be like the publican who humbly confessed he was a sinner and asked for mercy. It is the difference between looking to ourselves as fit for salvation or looking to Jesus who is our Savior. It’s not about us, it is all about Him.

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News Item2/8/2020 6:31 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
You brought up sin's effect on man, not all creation, bro. Of course it is bigger than that, but you were not talking about bigger than that, but about the effect on man, right?
If there will always have a remnant, if he declared his creation very good, then destroying all men made in his image would be saying he made a mistake. He makes no mistakes, therefore no potential for doing so exists, and therefore not within the realm of possibility. It seems an insult to him for man to speculate on what God could do when it is clear there is no scenario where he would.
Mike, I am mystified when you say "it is clear there is no scenario where he would".

Do you not believe that God drowned to death the entire population of the planet earth bar eight souls? This is not speculating, this is biblical truth.

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News Item2/8/2020 12:03 AM
JD Saved by Grace | Florida  Find all comments by JD Saved by Grace
I truly worry about feminists.
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News Item2/7/2020 9:13 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Jesus, in and of Himself takes away the sins of everyone who believes and He is able to take away the sins of the whole world. He wasn’t and is not culpable for anyone’s sin! If He was, Jesus would have remained as dead as anyone else who died. Some here seem to be trusting in their individual worthiness before God to save them (thanks to Jesus paying off their sin debts), when really they should be looking to the worthiness of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who indwells them with His own righteousness. Having someone pay the fee for your speeding ticket, doesn’t make you innocent of speeding. You still committed the crime and your insurance may even go up although the penalty for the infraction was paid. Get enough of them over a certain amount of time and your license could be suspended because they aren’t forgotten about, even if someone else paid them off. You are still guilty! The point is, a believer isn’t saved because of their innocence before God, but rather because of the righteousness of Christ who is in them!
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News Item2/7/2020 4:10 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Mike, it is not like you to make such a grievous error. You claim the Fall of man only affects man? Bro, it is far bigger than that.

"The scenario where God could destroy all and it would be just is not in the realm of possibility anyway. Contrary to his nature."

Are you serious?

I was responding to this, John:

"The sin of Adam brings death in all men, whether they be babies, young people, or adults. And because we sinned in Adam, this justice is perfectly just and fair. And God does not have to be gracious to anyone; all could die and God would still be just.
I know Mike, we've sung this song before, eh?"

You brought up sin's effect on man, not all creation, bro. Of course it is bigger than that, but you were not talking about bigger than that, but about the effect on man, right?

If there will always have a remnant, if he declared his creation very good, then destroying all men made in his image would be saying he made a mistake. He makes no mistakes, therefore no potential for doing so exists, and therefore not within the realm of possibility. It seems an insult to him for man to speculate on what God could do when it is clear there is no scenario where he would.

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News Item2/7/2020 2:14 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
J4 wrote:
Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. That means Jesus atoned for the sins of you, me, and all who are afar off. It is an all inclusive statement!
John, I thought you said,

J4 wrote:
I’ve never said that I don’t believe God forgives sins! You, on the other hand, must believe that there are no sins to forgive if they were somehow punished at the cross!
John, you do not believe that sins were punished at the cross. You do not believe in a propitiation for sins. You do not believe in an atoning sacrifice for sins.

Therefore you are an unbeliever.

You are not saved.

You are perishing in your sins and yet keep arguing against the truth. You quote scripture, but you do not believe it. Little wonder that most of the good folks on here ignore you and will not respond to your tripe.

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News Item2/7/2020 1:58 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:2‬

Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. That means Jesus atoned for the sins of you, me, and all who are afar off. It is an all inclusive statement!

Now why would God send His Son to become the propitiation for our sins?

“Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:10‬

Seems like it is because He loved the whole world!

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬

Why...God does love the whole world! That’s why He sent His Son! God doesn’t want the world to be condemned as they are, but to have their sins propitiated by Jesus through our faith.

“Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:25‬

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News Item2/7/2020 7:07 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Saving faith in the penal satisfaction of Christ crucified is not something man can work up within himself. He does not believe it and will not believe it. This is because of the Fall, through which he is spiritually dead, unable to respond.

J4, this is YOU; it is describing YOU.

You believe something, but it is not the gospel of God's grace in Christ Jesus. This is something that you cannot believe, even though it is the truth which can bring untold spiritual riches to your soul. You hear it with your ear but not your heart. You are close to it, but it seems a million miles away.

You refuse to love the truth.

Christians understand that it is God who made them to differ, not they themselves. There is never any room for boasting in the Christian life. It is all of God's unmerited favour.

Ephesians 2:10 KJV
(10)  For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

John, you don't have his hallmark (to borrow an expression).

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News Item2/7/2020 12:47 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
We sure have, John. But unless our thinking goes to before a man is created, there is no hope of resolution . The Calvinist and the Arminian both are stuck in time, with their theories based on a man already in existence. The effect of the fall affects only the living, not those God has yet to create until they are created. Until life begins in the womb, there is no fall, death, federalism, depravity to be taken into account. The scenario where God could destroy all and it would be just is not in the realm of possibility anyway. Contrary to his nature.
Mike, it is not like you to make such a grievous error. You claim the Fall of man only affects man? Bro, it is far bigger than that.

"The scenario where God could destroy all and it would be just is not in the realm of possibility anyway. Contrary to his nature."

Are you serious?

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News Item2/6/2020 6:32 PM
John for JESUS | Atl  Find all comments by John for JESUS
The philosophy that some hold too is just plain fatalistic and isn’t how God does things. We know God will judge each according to their own sins and nobody else’s. If some are born unable to believe, then they can’t be blamed for their inability understand.
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News Item2/6/2020 4:18 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Mike, as you would expect, I will now say that the main issue which resolves all of these dilemmas is an understanding of federalism, original sin, total depravity, in other words the effect of The Fall.
I see it as devastating; you see it as only partly devastating. And it is this that divides the Calvinist (for want of a better word) from the Arminist (for want of a better word).
The sin of Adam brings death in all men, whether they be babies, young people, or adults. And because we sinned in Adam, this justice is perfectly just and fair. And God does not have to be gracious to anyone; all could die and God would still be just.
I know Mike, we've sung this song before, eh?
We sure have, John. But unless our thinking goes to before a man is created, there is no hope of resolution . The Calvinist and the Arminian both are stuck in time, with their theories based on a man already in existence. The effect of the fall affects only the living, not those God has yet to create until they are created. Until life begins in the womb, there is no fall, death, federalism, depravity to be taken into account. The scenario where God could destroy all and it would be just is not in the realm of possibility anyway. Contrary to his nature.
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News Item2/6/2020 3:07 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
I agree. Now we need to figure how it is a man or even a Steinem is responsible for being born in the first place if they never at some point receive the tools needed to turn about. A man born physically blind is not held responsible for it, right? We know that from Scripture. How can a man born spiritually blind any more responsible? God was glorified when Jesus restored the man's sight. Had he passed him
by, the man would remain blind, but he would still not be held responsible.
Mike, as you would expect, I will now say that the main issue which resolves all of these dilemmas is an understanding of federalism, original sin, total depravity, in other words the effect of The Fall.

I see it as devastating; you see it as only partly devastating. And it is this that divides the Calvinist (for want of a better word) from the Arminist (for want of a better word).

The sin of Adam brings death in all men, whether they be babies, young people, or adults. And because we sinned in Adam, this justice is perfectly just and fair. And God does not have to be gracious to anyone; all could die and God would still be just.

I know Mike, we've sung this song before, eh?

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News Item2/6/2020 1:43 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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God's sovereignty never did take away man's responsibility; the two go together, and never must one be promoted alone. One thing I will mention, and that is that when praying for souls, I ask the Lord to save souls through my witness or preaching as though all depended on him. And while I am preaching I make it clear that the sinner is responsible for his response to God's message. It seems to me that this is the Bible way of evangelism.
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I agree. Now we need to figure how it is a man or even a Steinem is responsible for being born in the first place if they never at some point receive the tools needed to turn about. A man born physically blind is not held responsible for it, right? We know that from Scripture. How can a man born spiritually blind any more responsible? God was glorified when Jesus restored the man's sight. Had he passed him
by, the man would remain blind, but he would still not be held responsible.
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News Item2/6/2020 12:23 PM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Is it not determinism, which is a philosophy, that leads to this thinking?
Hi Mike, I had a quick delve into determinism and it made my head spin. If you are looking for an alternative to free will, I would not go there. Rather, the answer is in the Bible, as always.

God's sovereignty never did take away man's responsibility; the two go together, and never must one be promoted alone. One thing I will mention, and that is that when praying for souls, I ask the Lord to save souls through my witness or preaching as though all depended on him. And while I am preaching I make it clear that the sinner is responsible for his response to God's message. It seems to me that this is the Bible way of evangelism.

But free will? No Mike, I do not believe that a sinner has such, in regard to spiritual matters.

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News Item2/6/2020 10:56 AM
John UK  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
As you say, John, the old man is with us from birth. Then we say, if Steinem is not turned around, it shall be just that she remain condemned. No problem. But it doesn't begin there. It begins not at birth, but when God created her in his image, a good. Before man was created, God said of his created things that they were good. It became "very good" after man was added to it, Gen 1:31. Can we say he created Steinem for no purpose other than to remain in her sin, for she cannot repent, for she has not been given the tools of repentance and faith, for such she has not been chosen? Is it not determinism, which is a philosophy, that leads to this thinking?
Hi Mike, and thank you for the two questions. To the first, I would say that God always has a purpose in everyone's life, not merely to remain in sin. But certainly there will be no repentance and faith forthcoming from such who are not chosen. This is not unjust, because God judges a sinner on their sins; and all have sinned, making the whole world guilty before him. He has chosen to save some, which shows his kindness to them.

On the second question, I will have to research a little, because I have no idea what determinism is all about.

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News Item2/6/2020 9:49 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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God is not weak or incapable of saving rebels, Mike. He can turn them around, he can give them spiritual life, he can motivate their will to desire to drink from the waters of eternal life, he can make them his children by adoption. Jesus said that God can make children for Abraham out of the stones at the side of the road.
The "old man" that lives within us from birth, and remains within us when we become a "new man in Christ", is that part of us which rebels against God, particularly in respect to his sovereign will and purpose in the salvation of his elect.
As you say, John, the old man is with us from birth. Then we say, if Steinem is not turned around, it shall be just that she remain condemned. No problem. But it doesn't begin there. It begins not at birth, but when God created her in his image, a good. Before man was created, God said of his created things that they were good. It became "very good" after man was added to it, Gen 1:31. Can we say he created Steinem for no purpose other than to remain in her sin, for she cannot repent, for she has not been given the tools of repentance and faith, for such she has not been chosen? Is it not determinism, which is a philosophy, that leads to this thinking?
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