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FRONT PAGE  |  4/3/2020
TUESDAY, DEC 24, 2019  |  20 comments
Christian leaders representing tens of millions warn Christianity Today
Nearly 200 evangelical leaders issued a letter to Christianity Today Editor-in-Chief Mark Galli in opposition to his editorial calling for President Trump to be impeached.

"Of course, it's up to your publication to decide whether or not your magazine intends to be a voice of evangelicals like those represented by the signatories below, and it is up to us and those evangelicals like us to decide if we should subscribe to, advertise in and read your publication online and in print, but historically, we have been your readers," signed by leaders such as James Dobson, Mat Staver and Brad Dacus. ...


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News Item1/30/2020 6:10 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Steve Denning wrote:
....
It’s not surprising that Galli’s editorial has not won immediate support. That’s the normal fate of whistle-blowers. “Institutional denial, obfuscation, and retaliation are hallmarks of many whistle-blowing cases,” says Sheelah Kolhatkar in The New Yorker. The toll on whistle-blowers can be high. Yet the impact can also be large.

Indeed, at Christmas in "the Year of the Whistle-Blower", it is fitting that we honor the birth of perhaps the most influential whistle blower all time: Jesus Christ. The son of poor parents with no formal education, Jesus grew up in a remote province of the Roman Empire to call out the powers-that-be and the principles on which almost all people were then living. For his efforts, he was reviled, imprisoned, tortured and executed. Yet his itinerant preaching has arguably had a bigger influence on society than any other human being.

excerpt from, "Trump’s Evangelicals Say The Ends Justify The Means"👎

https://tinyurl.com/thz2vev

This didn't come from a religious magazine nor from a religious writer--- excellent opinion pieceđź‘Ťâť—

Try these, Mike:
https://tinyurl.com/yak6pydw (Here are 10 times President Trump's comments have been called racist)

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News Item1/11/2020 9:19 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
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NPR had an interesting program on the disagreements between white and black evangelicals - when it came to Mr. Trump
https://tinyurl.com/rcfm8su (Evangelical Voters In N.C. Discuss Trump's Divisive Comments On Race)
---... certainly noticed Trump's speech. It was easy to determine that he is racist
Here's a thought. How about posting in context, a divisive racist comment from Trump?
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News Item1/10/2020 11:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You're right Quiet Christian, Race should have nothing to do with Christianity.

NPR had an interesting program on the disagreements between white and black evangelicals - when it came to Mr. Trump

https://tinyurl.com/rcfm8su (Evangelical Voters In N.C. Discuss Trump's Divisive Comments On Race)

They are certainly divided when it comes to Mr. Trump.

Matthew 15:19
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual sins, thefts, false testimony, and blasphemies.

The black members of the church that was on this program, certainly noticed Trump's speech. It was easy to determine that he is racistâť—đź‘Ž

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News Item12/28/19 7:57 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim Lincoln wrote:
excerpt from "Matthew 7:6"
---
I would like to know how many of these 200 have Black evangelicals backing them up?
---
What is a black evangelical, and why is it important to YOU? Go outside your box and try hard to answer logically and biblically.
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News Item12/28/19 1:45 AM
The Quiet Christian  Find all comments by The Quiet Christian
Does truth matter from a racial standpoint, Jim? Wisdom proceeds from God and shows no favoritism or is a respecter of persons. Or are you standing with Pilot when he responded to the Lord, "What is truth?"

Truth is not derived as a consensus of the public but as an absolute that comes ultimately from God. The issue is really whether, in our fallen state, we can discern it. One cannot find truth as a popularity contest, particularly based on the racial background of the respondents.

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News Item12/25/19 9:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Barnes' New Testament Notes wrote:
...Pearls are precious stones found in shell-fish, chiefly in India, in the waters that surround Ceylon. They are used to denote anything peculiarly precious, Matthew 13:46 Revelation of John 17:4 Revelation of John 18:12-16. In this place they are used to denote the doctrines of the gospel. Dogs signify men who spurn, oppose, and abuse that doctrine; men of peculiar sourness and malignity of temper, who meet it like growling and quarrelsome curs, 2 Peter 2:22 Revelation of John 22:15. Swine denote those who would trample the precepts under feet; men of impurity of life; corrupt, polluted, profane, obscene, and sensual; who would not know the value of the gospel, and who would tread it down as swine would pearls, Proverbs 11:22 2 Peter 2:22. The meaning of this proverb then is, do not offer your doctrine to those violent and abusive men, who would growl and curse you; nor to those peculiarly debased and profligate, who would not perceive its value, would trample it down, and abuse you....
excerpt from "Matthew 7:6"

Christians have been elitist.

I would like to know how many of these 200 have Black evangelicals backing them up?

WP, just what do you consider flagrantly disobeying the law?

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News Item12/25/19 11:46 AM
Wayfarer pilgrim | Lubbock, Texas  Find all comments by Wayfarer pilgrim
Oftentimes, a “ moral” candidate might be as arrogant as an amoral candidate. Woodrow Wilson was a moral candidate yet stepped aside the constitution with ease. The structure of the presidency doesn’t allow for much wiggle room unless you’re a street fighter, then all bets are off
DJT is a street fighter- but doesn’t understand the law unless it’s flagrantly disregarded. So a call to the president to Ukraine was just business as usual. A gang like m13, that’s a law breaker Trump understands.
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News Item12/25/19 5:11 AM
olive21 | london  Contact via emailFind all comments by olive21
[Removed by Moderator Alpha]
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News Item12/24/19 11:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
This Christian editor resigned after his publication join team Trump.
CNN Wire wrote:
“Like so many other media companies, they’ve chosen to silo themselves. They’ve chosen to represent a narrow (and shrinking) slice of Christianity. That might be a good business decision, short term at least. But it’s bad for Democracy, and bad for the Gospel. It means there will be one more place where readers can go for bias confirmation, but one less place where readers can go to exercise their brains on diversity of thought.”
excerpt from, "Christian publication editor quits over pro-Trump editorial"

https://tinyurl.com/snptruk

His former colleagues, should really read this article by Phil Johnson---

https://tinyurl.com/hbtgqek (Politically Incorrect?) Written before Donald Trump, but still when many evangelicals we're making the move from Christianity to politics.đź‘Ž

Adriel, you should appreciate the article by Phil Johnson. I think you agree on some things?

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News Item12/24/19 4:30 PM
Common Sense | Kansas  Find all comments by Common Sense
I just find it interesting that this article and publication has only happened now...a month before a pivotal election year... coincidence...
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News Item12/24/19 2:34 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
It is many decades since the term "evangelical" was twisted to mean something completely different. It used to mean - 'pertaining to or in keeping with the gospel and its teachings.

Today even papists and Liberalists claim it as relating to their position.

Satan has used it to confound the gullible and promote his heretical religious fallacies.

Human beings are sometimes very easily led by deception, duplicity and falsehood.
Which all started at a certain tree in the Garden of Eden.

So when you hear of some quote, "evangelicals" believing this version or that; - Then do they mean evangelical or do they mean enthusiast, papist, anglican, mega-churchist, heretic, religious reprobate, apostate, Democrat, Liberalist, used car salesman, iconoclast, mythologist or peanut???

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News Item12/24/19 1:28 PM
Citizen | USA  Find all comments by Citizen
Dear Jim L.,

I didn’t know you have such a close, personal relationship with these men & that you’ve observed them reading the stock market... instead of Christianity today or the Bible.

Such deep observational prowess, thank you.

Question, have you objectively examined your self that closely?

My use of sarcasm is only to emphasize the absurdity of your statement and the need of self examination is needed... by you & is all.

Please turn to Christ’s salvation & if you have... then walk in it, as we all who call upon him must.

Mat 7:21  Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!

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News Item12/24/19 12:57 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
DF, considering --some-- of the people that are given on the list in SA's article, they're more apt to read the stock market reports than either Christianity Today, or for that matter, the Bible.

By the way, this would make a great winter vacation.
https://tinyurl.com/uyxsr9n (A trip to the Holy Land can be life-changing)

Timothy there's certainly nothing wrong with a country controlling its borders, but throwing children but to what amounts to concentration camps is wrongâť—đź‘Ž

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News Item12/24/19 12:45 PM
Douglas Fir | Land of Pleasant Living  Find all comments by Douglas Fir
I did see an article in my local newspaper about this little 'dust up'
I think a sense of perspective is needed: the magazine has very few subscribers and evangelicals who read it are very few.
I think the editor made these comments to get attention to the magazine and website.
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News Item12/24/19 12:41 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Something for you Timothy!
I may have to subscribe to Christianity Todayâť—đź‘Ť

A subscription to it, could be the Christmas present that you should give to yourself. 🕯✝️

Heather Timmons wrote:
....
Evangelicals have been a bedrock of support for the Republican president, and the magazine noted in its new editorial

https://tinyurl.com/yx3toqel

, published Sunday, that Trump "has done a lot of good for causes we all care about."
But the magazine's president, Timothy Dalrymple, wrote in the editorial, headlined "The Flag in the Whirlwind," that evangelicals' embrace of Trump means being tied to his "rampant immorality, greed, and corruption; his divisiveness and race-baiting; his cruelty and hostility to immigrants and refugees."
"With profound love and respect," Dalrymple said, "we ask our brothers and sisters in Christ to consider whether they have given to Caesar what belongs only to God: their unconditional loyalty."...

excerpt from, "Christianity Today again slams Trump, raises issue of 'unconditional loyalty'"

https://tinyurl.com/sf9b698z

Let's hope that one's pastor, points out the important linkage between Christmas and Easter. Surprisingly, perhaps to some of you, it is what makes Christmas Merry

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News Item12/24/19 9:12 AM
Dr. Tim | Way Down Yonder  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Jim, I know that Donald Trump’s immorality is a stumblingblock to you. I know you would rather have a more moral candidate, such as the queer from Indiana who is running this time or the bull dyke who ran last time, occupying the White House. And I know this is especially true since every Democratic candidate there is supports fine moral positions such as unlimited murder of infants and old folks (don’t throw granny off the cliff; just let her starve to death) and unrestrained sexual perversion. How your pure heart must yearn for one of these paragons of virtue to replace the ogre we now have in office! And just think how much better off we’ll all be when anyone who can cross the Rio Grande automatically becomes a citizen! How much more equal we will be when, under socialism, we are all equally poor! Jim, you’re a genius. Why don’t YOU run for office?
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News Item12/24/19 8:30 AM
Kenny | Marietta, Georgia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Kenny
If your biggest problem with Christianity Today is the way they've treated Donald Trump, you are not paying attention. CT jumped the tracks many years ago.
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News Item12/24/19 2:31 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
And that, my friends, is how your brain works at 1:30am
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News Item12/24/19 2:30 AM
Stevenr | Missouri  Find all comments by Stevenr
Gross immoral character? And pray tell me which 2016 candidate (much less 2020) did not have that? When you have to choose between two piles of poo, you pick the poo that benefits you.
What we have was fertilizer and something that would spread e-coli. They both stunk, but Hillary was a disease. At least Trump is growing something.
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News Item12/24/19 2:08 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Representing tens of Millions? They're representing their portfolio managers. Just when did Christianity become a popularity contest? The more popular a cult is, the greater number of people it has!
Herb Keinon wrote:
Christianity Today brought into the American public eye something many may not have realized: Not all Evangelicals love US President Donald Trump.
https://tinyurl.com/rr5rq9t

Trump’s Evangelical supporters have pointed to his Supreme Court nominees, his defense of religious liberty, and his stewardship of the economy, among other things, as achievements that justify their support of the president,” he wrote. But, he added, “None of the president’s positives can balance the moral and political danger we face under a leader of such grossly immoral character."
That argument, that the failings of Trumps’ character outweigh the good he is doing, is one also often heard in the Jewish community – by people who love and support Israel, yet loathe the president.

Those US Jews who detest the president could have just as easily written that sentence to their co-religionists who support the president, changing just a few words: ....

excerpt from, "Dilemmas shared by Christians, Jews over Trump - Analysis"
https://tinyurl.com/qopv2zo
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