Alabama Putting God Back in Schools with Ten Commandments
Alabama public schools are hoping to bring God back into their schools by displaying the US motto "In God We Trust" on school buildings.
In February, the Alabama legislature approved a new law allowing such displays on public property, and now is giving schools the right to exhibit the motto as well.
The national motto, approved by Congress in 1956, is already displayed in 17 public venues in Alabama, and the Blount County school board plans to be the first to implement the motto in its schools....
Plain Old Tim wrote: Amishchristian and John UK, when it comes to salvation, God has a part, and man has a part. God's part is to do all the saving. Man's part is to believe that God has done His part. We run into problems when we think it is necessary for us to do part of God's part.
Dr Tim, Of course I could raise a glass of carrot juice up and say Amen to that, brother. The gospel by its very nature demands a response. However, when I saw the glory of the Lord....
John 12:39-41 KJV (39)¬† Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, (40)¬† He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. (41)¬† These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.
God will never BELIEVE for a sinner; he will never REPENT for a sinner; he will never RECEIVE CHRIST for a sinner. The sinner must do all this. And only elect sinners will have these things wrought in them, which will effect their salvation.
Men all over the world are lost in sin, and Jesus said he came to seek and to save that which was lost. I'm rather glad that Jesus saves every one whom he seeks, where every one means all.
Amishchristian and John UK, when it comes to salvation, God has a part, and man has a part. God's part is to do all the saving. Man's part is to believe that God has done His part. We run into problems when we think it is necessary for us to do part of God's part.
Amishchristian wrote: John UK, thank you for your kind response. The only thing that I might say in reply would be these four verses in Titus:
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. Titus 3:5-8
Thank you AC for those wonderful verses, which really do show that we cannot be saved by works, but that good works follow on from salvation. Here is another one, which shows that the grace of God is the cause of both salvation and good works.
Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV (8)¬† For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9)¬† Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10)¬† For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
John UK, thank you for your kind response. The only thing that I might say in reply would be these four verses in Titus: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. Titus 3:5-8
Sorry Pilgrim, that was meant for the Duck Farmer. Sorry Duck Farmer.
Amishchristian wrote: To John UK: The primary confession of faith of Amish churches is the Dordrecht Confession of Faith. It was written in 1632 in the Netherlands. PLEASE NOTE that great care is taken to let scripture speak for itself. Therefore more scripture is quoted rather than giving a long theological explanation of what it means or supposedly means.
Thanks AC, that is a most helpful thing, and I have read the entire confession. It is as you say, mostly biblically written, and it seems it was used for Mennonites & Anabaptists. There is much to commend the confession, and it was a joy to read it. However.....(oh dear, there's always a however!).
Every document has its own particular aroma, and to my mind there was a definite bias towards the responsibility of men, even to the point of declaring that salvation was not guaranteed, but dependent on an ongoing repentance and holy living. Plus there was nothing to suggest that faith in Christ clothes us with his righteousness which is our "garment" for heaven. That's how it struck me, anyway.
"John UK" has identified something true not only in the UK but in many other areas. You could almost say it is a global phenomenon. For example, evangelicals on a missions trip to Mexico will see the majority of the population heading to their Catholic churches, only vaguely aware of all its teaching, and even mixing in elements from before Cortes arrived. The same occurs in the US, where people will not want to discuss doctrinal issues because it often breaks down into nasty arguments. I've heard of cases where a church changed its schedule, from having the traditional service to 9:30am from 11:00am, and many people left to a different church that had kept their traditional service at 11:00am. The doctrinal differences were there, but not a problem for the people who left. What they wanted was the traditional hymns, the pipe organ playing, and getting out around 12:30pm so they could go to lunch at a nearby restaurant.
To John UK: The primary confession of faith of Amish churches is the Dordrecht Confession of Faith. It was written in 1632 in the Netherlands. PLEASE NOTE that great care is taken to let scripture speak for itself. Therefore more scripture is quoted rather than giving a long theological explanation of what it means or supposedly means.
The earliest confession was written in 1527 in Schleitheim Switzerland by Michael Sattler, he did not live long after that as the Catholic Church tortured and killed him in a terribly gruel way for his faith.
We believe that repentance is necessary and will be shown by a changed life, that is fruit (Luke 3:8). We strongly believe and teach in the new birth of the believer: Colossians 3:9, 10 ‚ÄĒ Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him. But, on the contrary, we must go to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith‚ÄĚ, and believe in Jesus Christ, as the Scriptures speak and testify of Him. Through which faith we obtain the pardon of our sins, become sanctified, Justified, and children of God; yea, partakers of His mind, nature, and image, as we are born again of God through His incorruptible
Amishchristian wrote: We understand that salvation cannot be earned, but that it is a gift from God.
Hello AC, does your fellowship have a creed or statement of faith or belief? If so, is there an online copy of it, as I would like to see for myself that you believe justification to be by faith alone in Christ alone, apart from works. Thank you.
WP, you are most welcome brother. In the UK, tradition is like a thick fog which envelopes all. Spiritually it makes people like mindless zombies. The unconverted I call the Living Dead (or worldlings), and the majority of believers I call the Unthinkers. Ask any professing Christian why they do what they do, and they will rarely be able to give an answer. That is how bad it is in the UK.
Backwoods Duck Farmer wrote: Great points John UK. Are head coverings common in churches in Wales?
Bro, the only chapels I know who take the teachings of 1 Cor 11 seriously are the Brethren Assemblies. I spent a few years with several different ones, and never could figure out why they promoted that sisters should wear a headcovering at the BOB service, but then they wouldn't permit them to pray or prophesy.
For a long time in the mainstream churches and chapels many women have worn a head scarf or hat to church, probably out of tradition rather than in an attitude of recognising the headship of the man.
The great problem is always tradition, and its powerful influence on the mind. But when anyone turns to the Lord and seeks to apply HIS principles, found in scripture, there will always be both blessing and conflict: blessing from God, and conflict from other Christians who feel intimidated.
Amish Christian, thanks for sharing, and I would like to have a longer chat with you, perhaps tomorrow. It gets late here, and I be turning in.
JOHN UK you make some good points. I have given this subject a lot of thought especially because all of our women and girls still wear a covering but they are often ridiculed or challenged about it. Our churches are slow to make changes and especially so when there is a clear scriptural basis for a practice. I must say most of our wives and daughters find it a blessing and honor their ‚Äúheads‚ÄĚ with willing glad hearts. Of course there are those who leave our churches having loved this present world and it‚Äôs ways instead. Church membership is completely voluntary, but those who want to be a part of our Gemeinde (Fellowship) are expected to conform their lives to what each brotherhood has agreed upon. This method has worked quite well for us but of course it isn‚Äôt perfect either. All of our practices are intended to be based on Scriptural teaching and principles. I felt I needed to clarify this since so often we are accused of being legalists whenever we try to actually do what is taught in the Bible. We understand that salvation cannot be earned, but that it is a gift from God.
Hey Kidney Hiller (still have yet to find out what that is) mocking other Christians' convictions produces nothing but dissension. And by the way, like many other southern farmers I don't do anything on a sunny day without a broad brimmed straw hat. It helps keep me cool and prevents sunburn. And what kind of a nut would make it a point to be outdoors during the hottest time of day anyway? (10am to 4pm) Morning and evening is when you feed the dogs, horse, chickens, and most importantly of course, the ducks. It's also when you do just about anything else outside. Great points John UK. Are head coverings common in churches in Wales?
Very interesting convo on this subject of head coverings.
MOPO is that culture has nothing to do with it, whether eastern, asian, or anywhere else. Rather, rejection of the headcovering is the spirit of feminism, which is effectively the rejection of the authority of the man, who is the woman's head. The veil is the symbol of her subjection, and to reject the veil is to rebel against God, and against her God-appointed head.
Women who submit themselves to God, and subject themselves to their husband, who do not wear any veil, are embarrassed to do so, because if anyone asks them why, they will have to confess their belief in the Bible, and they might lose face with their friends. In this, they are in bondage to their own culture, not willing to walk God's path, but want to be accepted by the world.
It's very similar when refusing to "celebrate" Easter & Christmas because of a commitment to the word of God. Even fellow Christians will mock you and try to entice you into their occultic practices.
Around the world, Brethren Assemblies, at their breaking of bread meeting, their womenfolk put on a veil or headscarf during the open time of prayer. But then they are told they must not pray.