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Choice News FRIDAY, MAY 4, 2018  |  80 comments  |  1 commentary
President sets up White House faith initiative

On the National Day of Prayer one year ago, President Trump issued an order to protect religious expression throughout the federal government, and a Family Research Council analysis has confirmed the positive impact, including allowing charities and other groups to provide up to 13.7 million people with health care or other services.

Now the president has gone a step further, signing a new executive order Thursday during the 2018 National Day of Prayer event at the White House. The order establishes a team to identify how the government can reduce the “burdens on the exercise of religious convictions and legislative, regulatory, and other barriers to the full and active engagement of faith-based and community organizations in government-funded or government-conducted activities and programs.”

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said the announcement of Trump’s faith ...


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News Item5/8/18 2:21 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
John Y; The quote I share is Biblical truths to be found in the Word of God. As your own reasoning & postings on here, say otherwise of you being transplanted with the newness of eternal life in you, through Christ Alone amen!

William Farley; New birth.means one has enthroned Christ in the center of one’s life. You become a Christian when your life, thinking & behavior begin to resolve around Jesus Christ. Until that happens, professions &!decisions mean very little. Changed behavior processing from a spiritual heart transplant is the only certain evidence of new birth.

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News Item5/8/18 2:16 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Martyn Lloyd-Jones; A sinner doesn’t “decide” for Christ; the sinner “flies” to Christ in utter helplessness & despair saying – Foul, I to the fountain fly, Wash me, Saviour, or I die. No man truly comes to Christ unless he flies to Him as his only refuge & hope, his only way of escape from the accusations of conscience & the condemnation of God's holy law. Nothing else is satisfactory. If a man says that having thought about the matter & having considered all sides he has on the whole decided for Christ, & if he has done so without any emotion or feeling, I can’t regard him as a man who has been regenerated. The convicted sinner no more “decides” for Christ than the poor drowning man “decides” to take hold of that rope that is thrown to him & suddenly provides him with the only means of escape. The term is entirely inappropriate.
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News Item5/8/18 1:42 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
John Y; The problem is you with you n’t, understanding the fallen spiritual depravity one is in & how that affects one. In all aspects of their lives! Sinners are in dier need of Jesus accepting them First. & n’t the other way around. Jesus isn’t a sinner who is in need of daily repentance!

Spurgeon; Reference Jhn 6:44;
We declare, upon Scriptural authority, that the human will is so desperately set on mischief, so depraved, & so inclined to everything that is evil, & so disinclined to everything that is good, that without the powerful, supernatural, irresistible influence of the Holy Spirit, no human will ever be constrained towards Christ.

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News Item5/8/18 11:58 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Kev wrote:
Do you examine yourself to see if you are in the faith?:
2 Corinthians 13:5-7
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.
7 Now I pray to God that ye do no evil; not that we should appear approved, but that ye should do that which is honest, though we be as reprobates.
How come everyone here sees you as just a lost person? Could it be you are a tare Or a goat and just so deluded you don’t even know it? I cannot see someone who has the Spirit of God dwelling in them in continuous sin and the Holy Spirit not chastise them. If you be without chastisement you are not a child of God.
I am in the faith if I am Born Again and attend/am a member of a Baptist Church. The reason everyone on here states that I am not really saved is because they don't know that Baptist teaching(which is biblical teaching) states that if one accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior and trusts entirely in Him alone for salvation then they are saved. The Bible states that if we sin that we are to ask Jesus for forgiveness of sins.
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News Item5/6/18 7:49 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Amen James. How about, the blood puts my sins away...
Good though...putting, cleansing, washing.
Same thing seems like.

1John...
the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Cor. 6:11
.... but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

John 15:3
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

John 6:63...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Psalm 119:40
Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.

Maybe also an example of what appears to be the opposite of that where Jesus spoke to the Jews.

John 5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

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News Item5/6/18 5:17 PM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Just wanted to say again that I appreciated this conversation and all input. Always interesting to read differing viewpoints, along with how they're arrived at, scripturally.
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News Item5/6/18 4:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
James Thomas wrote:
Open minds are shaped to His.
And Praise God...
We know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind to know Him, which is true.
Thanks to the posters in the conversation.
It's a pleasure to read through. If I may add to it....
Bodies still being in Adam. Hmm.... I think Paul spoke in something about how we are to reckon our bodies dead.
Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Perhaps Paul is expounding the details of what the Law of Faith is and collateral effects thereof.
Amen James. How about, the blood puts my sins away, and the cross also puts me away.

Galatians 2:20 KJV
(20)  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me...

John Gill says of Paul, "Christ was crucified for him in his room and stead, and so he was crucified with him, and in him, as his head and representative."

Symbolised of course in water baptism.

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News Item5/6/18 3:39 PM
James Thomas | FLA  Find all comments by James Thomas
John UK wrote:
Bro Lurker, amen and amen and amen to all in your post. I'm still not sure about our bodies still being "in Adam" but give me time and I may arrive there.
You know, it has been said by some on here that folks will never change their thinking, being set, as it were. But I have certainly changed my thinking on Romans 7, as I used to think it was Paul describing his unregenerate state.
Open minds are shaped to His.
And Praise God...
We know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind to know Him, which is true.

Thanks to the posters in the conversation.
It's a pleasure to read through. If I may add to it....
Bodies still being in Adam. Hmm.... I think Paul spoke in something about how we are to reckon our bodies dead.

Romans 6:11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Perhaps Paul is expounding the details of what the Law of Faith is and collateral effects thereof.

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News Item5/6/18 2:46 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
It's okay, John.
In my personal studies I often recall cross references which are relevant to a particular text but not to the subject at hand. Such was the case with my PS. But after I posted it, it dawned on me that the cross reference is a good argument against the pre-trib rapture. If the sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving is taken away midway through the tribulation, from whom is it taken from? If the church is already raptured; who is offering praise and thanksgiving? And in what setting? Not likely going to happen in a nation with freedom of religion but a state church.
That's all right bro. Any biblical argument against the pre-trib rapture is fine with me.
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News Item5/6/18 1:07 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for your kind words and gentle rebuke. You are correct as usual King Friday. God bless you brother.
Hey Brother,

I pondered my last sentence before I posted, hoping no one would take it personal. I have been guilty of mocking and scorning JY in years gone by and have learned it doesn't change a thing with him. All it did was make me feel guilty because while the mock and scorn satisfied my old nature for a moment, it didn't glorify God.

Thanks for understanding, bro.

John UK wrote:
Thanks Lurker, you lost me on that one. Carry on.
It's okay, John.

In my personal studies I often recall cross references which are relevant to a particular text but not to the subject at hand. Such was the case with my PS. But after I posted it, it dawned on me that the cross reference is a good argument against the pre-trib rapture. If the sacrifice of praise and thanksgiving is taken away midway through the tribulation, from whom is it taken from? If the church is already raptured; who is offering praise and thanksgiving? And in what setting? Not likely going to happen in a nation with freedom of religion but a state church.

Anyway, meandering thoughts not intended to detract from the subject at hand.

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News Item5/6/18 7:56 AM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
Lurker wrote:
Hey brother,
Just want to say I'm glad to see you posting again. While we may not agree on all things, you always have a kind and gentleness about your comments. I always appreciate your comments so keep them coming.
Regarding John Y., I think we all know John is an intelligent person but has no common sense or social skills. He lives his life in a fantasy world and I believe that's a coping mechanism to deal with whatever mental disorder separates him from ordinary people.
I honestly don't know how God deals with people who are mentally challenged. All I can say is what we all would say.... that God is just and will do right in all things.
As for JY's nightly ritual, most likely a practice he learned from his catholic parents that he has never seen the need to renounce. I don't believe its biblical, at least his version, but I'm not going to speak for God considering JY's challenge.
JY is a hard case. Stubborn. Can't say much more than that other than I prefer to have pity on him rather than heap scorn.
Blessings.
Thanks for your kind words and gentle rebuke. You are correct as usual King Friday. God bless you brother.
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News Item5/6/18 7:36 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Dr. Tim wrote:
Sounds pretty good, JUK, if it were not for the fact that First John is addressed to CHRISTIANS (5:13), and therefore confession of sins (1:8-10) certainly does apply to us. I don't confess each night before retiring, but more like every 30 seconds! (An exaggeration, yes, but I think you get my drift. I sin. You do, too. Regardless of our "view," we are to confess our sins in order to receive cleansing--John 13:10.)
Good morning Dr Tim, and the Lord bless you.

With regard to 1 John 1:8-10, I did an exposition of it yesterday, and you can find it at 5/5/18 9.01AM.

With regard to confession of sin, saying sorry to God, and repentance, I explained that yesterday at 5/5/18 2.38PM.

With regard to sin, yes I agree, we fall short continually. This is because we fail to mortify our flesh; and the reason we do that is because most preachers are not preaching it; they preach a salvation without holiness, without self-denial, without carrying a cross. They do not tell us to focus on things above not on things on the earth. Rather they focus on things on the earth, not on things in heaven. That sort of crack.

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News Item5/6/18 7:05 AM
Dr. Tim | Land of Cotton  Find all comments by Dr. Tim
Sounds pretty good, JUK, if it were not for the fact that First John is addressed to CHRISTIANS (5:13), and therefore confession of sins (1:8-10) certainly does apply to us. I don't confess each night before retiring, but more like every 30 seconds! (An exaggeration, yes, but I think you get my drift. I sin. You do, too. Regardless of our "view," we are to confess our sins in order to receive cleansing--John 13:10.)
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News Item5/6/18 6:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Christopher000 wrote:
Thanks for the interesting conversation.
It's great bro when discussions can take place without rancour or upset. If folks want to be taught, there are over a million teaching sermons here on site. But I often find that debate helps to solidify things that are being learnt.

With regard to what we have in Christ, there is quite a difference between what is called the Reformed view and the IFB view. I suggest that just for a day or two you imagine yourself to be of the Reformed view, and see how you get on.

For example, the Reformers believe in particular redemption when it comes to the sacrifice of our Saviour. What does that entail? It means that when Christ died, his specific purpose was the forgiveness and salvation of all God's elect - his sheep. "I lay down my life for the sheep."

So Christ was a substitute for all of God's children. His blood was poured out, and then presented to God in heaven. Seeing the blood of sacrifice, God forgives all his people of all their sins, and that forgiveness is complete, unalterable.

Now can you see that when it comes to "Am I forgiven all?" all I have to say is: CHRIST HAS DIED! That settles it.

Try it bro.

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News Item5/6/18 6:07 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks for the interesting conversation. I think we sparked off a new topic that was really worth discussing, and it really gave me some new things to think about. I'm one of those dirty ignorant people who is still learning, and hopefully will be found savable someday when I also have nothing left to learn, having also reached intellectual nirvana...ha-ha. Hey, I have absolutely no shame when asking questions, or admitting my own shortfalls. I have absolutely no shame in asking questions that I know will be way old news to many. None whatsoever, and will continue to ask freely.
John, I was really glad to see the quote from you that US posted. I was really understanding you as saying that if we are asking forgiveness for this and that sin, then we're calling God a liar, basically. Glad that was cleared up. I tend to get lost when several people are expressing their own views, and don't understand you all that well at times, your positions, that is. Thanks for what you sent over...I read through it once, but need yo again to soak it in.
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News Item5/6/18 4:40 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Ohhhhhh. We are saying the same thing then. My bad, sorry that I misunderstood from where you were coming. I will then add what I said about his nightly general confession from another thread. Thanks. Here is my post to John Yurich
I find two things troubling in one of your statements.
1. That you would wait until the end of the day to “confess” your sins to God. One would think a truly born again believer who us walking with God would not endure both the break in fellowship or the sorrow for having offend One who was so precious for such a long period of time
2. That your “confession” would be so general, not naming specifics. It is almost like it isn’t a big deal
Is this a new Baptist teaching? It sounds more like something Catholics would do
No problem bro, I know what it is like when threads go under the bridge and the original point gets a bit lost in a general discussion. But I hope you think it worthwhile.

I do like your emphasis on being sensitive to the Holy Spirit, and thusly we feel grieved when he feels grieved.

It seems there are at least three of us who consider John's nightly ritual a Catholic trait.

Thanks Lurker, you lost me on that one. Carry on.

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News Item5/6/18 3:50 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Carol wrote:
@B.McCausland...a most excellent post.
That is the experience of every born from above child of God.
Thanks, Carol.
Surely the ignorance displayed about these plain facts brings obvious evidence that there are many who 'profess' faith, with highfalutin ideas and personal opinions regarding the matters of faith and doctrine perhaps, but few are the ones who actually 'possess' the birth from above.
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News Item5/5/18 11:23 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Ohhhhhh. We are saying the same thing then. My bad, sorry that I misunderstood from where you were coming. I will then add what I said about his nightly general confession from another thread.
Hey brother,

Just want to say I'm glad to see you posting again. While we may not agree on all things, you always have a kind and gentleness about your comments. I always appreciate your comments so keep them coming.

Regarding John Y., I think we all know John is an intelligent person but has no common sense or social skills. He lives his life in a fantasy world and I believe that's a coping mechanism to deal with whatever mental disorder separates him from ordinary people.

I honestly don't know how God deals with people who are mentally challenged. All I can say is what we all would say.... that God is just and will do right in all things.

As for JY's nightly ritual, most likely a practice he learned from his catholic parents that he has never seen the need to renounce. I don't believe its biblical, at least his version, but I'm not going to speak for God considering JY's challenge.

JY is a hard case. Stubborn. Can't say much more than that other than I prefer to have pity on him rather than heap scorn.

Blessings.

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News Item5/5/18 11:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ron Kampeas wrote:
Buried in legal speak in the executive order, however, was a clause that left liberal-leaning Jewish groups aghast: Trump removed a section that required religious groups using government money to refer applicants to appropriate alternatives if the applicant did not want a dose of salvation with their relief....

The order “puts America’s most vulnerable citizens at risk of choosing between accessing essential, taxpayer-funded social services and being subject to unwanted proselytizing or religious activity,” the Anti-Defamation League said in a statement.

“Any White House faith-based initiative must uphold and enhance constitutional protections for the separation of church and state and protect the rights of all people, regardless of their faith,” the Reform movement’s Religious Action Center said.

--[URL=http://tinyurl.com/yb7hk58v]]]http://tinyurl.com/yb7hk58v (Trump’s faith-based initiative removes proselytizing limit — worrying some Jews)[/URL]

I thought conservatives didn't want government handouts? The picture that comes with the article sure makes one wonders though? Pushing to get into the trough.

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News Item5/5/18 9:09 PM
Unprofitable Servant | TN  Find all comments by Unprofitable Servant
John UK wrote:
Don't forget that I am not saying it is wrong to confess sin, or say sorry to God, or to repent. I am talking to John Yurich about not asking God every night for the forgiveness of sins.
Ohhhhhh. We are saying the same thing then. My bad, sorry that I misunderstood from where you were coming. I will then add what I said about his nightly general confession from another thread. Thanks. Here is my post to John Yurich

I find two things troubling in one of your statements.

1. That you would wait until the end of the day to “confess” your sins to God. One would think a truly born again believer who us walking with God would not endure both the break in fellowship or the sorrow for having offend One who was so precious for such a long period of time

2. That your “confession” would be so general, not naming specifics. It is almost like it isn’t a big deal

Is this a new Baptist teaching? It sounds more like something Catholics would do

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