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Choice News TUESDAY, APR 10, 2018  |  141 comments
Rachael Denhollander: 'Few' Victims of Sexual Assault Find 'True Help' From Church?

Denhollander said that while she is a "very conservative evangelical," she believes the Church has a long way to go when it comes to dealing with victims of sexual abuse.

"That's a hard thing to say, because I am a very conservative evangelical, but that is the truth," she said. "There are very, very few who have ever found true help in the Church."

For abuse victims, one of the most difficult things to learn is how to trust again and who is trustworthy, the wife and mother continued.

"When I can come to the realization that my Savior is strong enough to love someone like Larry, that means He is strong enough to love me, and He is the most sure refuge for me, He is the one place I can trust, because what happened to me matters, because God promises justice, and because my Savior meshes justice with forgiveness in a way that cannot be found anywhere else," she said. ...


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News Item4/14/18 11:40 PM
Been Watching  Find all comments by Been Watching
AllForHIsGlory wrote:
In reading through the comments here I see that much argument has stemmed from a Biblical perspective that women should attire themselves in all modesty. I find Watcher's comments Biblical as his view is supported in God's Word. An article worth reading can be found here: http://bereansdesk.blogspot.ca/2012/12/what-christian-modesty-looks-like.html
It covers what modesty should look like in a Christian woman. It quotes Scripture to back its viewpoint.
Thank you AllForHIsGlory. Great article and it covers many aspects of modesty that I didn't even think of.
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News Item4/14/18 11:21 PM
AllForHIsGlory | Canada  Find all comments by AllForHIsGlory
In reading through the comments here I see that much argument has stemmed from a Biblical perspective that women should attire themselves in all modesty. I find Watcher's comments Biblical as his view is supported in God's Word. An article worth reading can be found here: http://bereansdesk.blogspot.ca/2012/12/what-christian-modesty-looks-like.html

It covers what modesty should look like in a Christian woman. It quotes Scripture to back its viewpoint.

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News Item4/14/18 11:00 PM
Been Watching  Find all comments by Been Watching
Angela Wittman wrote:
I will apologize for this: I haven't read all the comments and just now saw some written earlier directed to me that I didn't respond to. I have a habit of posting, then leaving to do work, etc. and not reading all the comments in response. I doubt if I'll ever improve in this area; but it isn't helpful and leads to misunderstandings. Watcher, I get what you and others are saying about modesty. I've probably blogged on it in the past. My focus was on the victims of Larry Nassar and defending their honor. I probably do sound grandmotherly because I am a grandmother! Please know I've also lamented over compromise in the church. But I've also come to realize that we aren't all at the same place in our sanctification and to extend grace to others who are trying to live a Christian life. I also think it's vital one is a member of a local church. So, please don't try to be a lone ranger. It won't work. We need each other, as well as hearing the word preached and receiving the sacraments.
Glad tempers are giving way to Christ-likeness.
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News Item4/14/18 10:42 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Angela Wittman
I will apologize for this: I haven't read all the comments and just now saw some written earlier directed to me that I didn't respond to. I have a habit of posting, then leaving to do work, etc. and not reading all the comments in response. I doubt if I'll ever improve in this area; but it isn't helpful and leads to misunderstandings. Watcher, I get what you and others are saying about modesty. I've probably blogged on it in the past. My focus was on the victims of Larry Nassar and defending their honor. I probably do sound grandmotherly because I am a grandmother! Please know I've also lamented over compromise in the church. But I've also come to realize that we aren't all at the same place in our sanctification and to extend grace to others who are trying to live a Christian life. I also think it's vital one is a member of a local church. So, please don't try to be a lone ranger. It won't work. We need each other, as well as hearing the word preached and receiving the sacraments.
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News Item4/14/18 10:13 PM
Been Watching  Find all comments by Been Watching
Constructive criticism wrote:
The Bible reminds us that the wisdom from above is first pure, that is, as you have stated,.. I know I need much prayer that this would be my lot. Thank you for bearing with me in sharing my thoughts.
Amen. It's hard to be patient and loving with people when they fight so hard to defend their lifestyle and sin. The problem is, they don't think it's sin. I've had this discussion with Christians before regarding the Super Bowl's halftime show. They say it's okay to watch because they don't have a problem with what's being shown. Could we say the same thing if a Christian decided to attend a Gay Pride parade? There needs to be accountability on both sides of the coin, doesn't there?
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News Item4/14/18 9:51 PM
Constructive criticism | take it or leave it  Find all comments by Constructive criticism
The Bible reminds us that the wisdom from above is first pure, that is, as you have stated, true to the clear uncompromising truths found in the Word of God and shown by the God of the Word. Then we note its characteristics are that it is then peaceable, gentle, easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and hypocrisy. These are lofty goals we must bear in mind when sharing our thoughts with one another on this forum. Even rebuke, reproving, and exhorting was to be done with longsuffering or patience. If we but remember what the Lord reminded us, that even though we made Him to serve with our sins and wearied Him with our iniquities, yet, He still blotted out our transgressions and chose to not remember our sins. If we ponder His patience and forbearance with us in our daily shortcomings and then try to extend the same grace one to another, we would do well May God be pleased to give to each of us that broken and contrite spirit to which He will look and not despise. I know I need much prayer that this would be my lot. Thank you for bearing with me in sharing my thoughts.
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News Item4/14/18 9:36 PM
Watcher | North America  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
Constructive criticism wrote:
Watcher, it would be impossible and more than likely not profitable to cover how things were properly and improperly discussed in this thread. Plus my thoughts would be like anyone else's, very subjective. Even what you just posted seems like an improvement over the way several posts are worded by various people. Sometimes we will not see eye to eye, a simple, as you stated, praying for you in this matter is an excellent response. Just my thoughts.
If I went back and looked over my previous comments, I would find that more often than not, I have said, "I say this because I care/love/am worried for you". Or I will be praying for you...etc. Your comment here is exactly my point: Our comments are subjective, and we (at least I) attempt to be scriptural in my responses. Do I hit the mark all the time? No. Neither do you or anyone else on here. To be chastised for being unloving is wrong and cruel. How many of y'all have lost sleep over those here who are in error? I have. Not to brag, but to let each of you know my heart. I am a bull in a china shop. That's the way I am made. I am a big, strong Hos (from Bonanza) kinda guy who loves and cares more than any of you care to know. Does all of this matter? Probably not.
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News Item4/14/18 9:14 PM
Constructive criticism | take it or leave it  Find all comments by Constructive criticism
Watcher, it would be impossible and more than likely not profitable to cover how things were properly and improperly discussed in this thread. Plus my thoughts would be like anyone else's, very subjective. Even what you just posted seems like an improvement over the way several posts are worded by various people.

I am sure I am not telling you anything of which you are not aware. There needs to be an attitude of servanthood from all of us according to Mark 10:42-45. The Scripture says .. and the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves. If we see others as those we serve we will guard ourselves from accusations and being overbearing in sharing the truths of the Bible.

We all have to say but for the grace of God there go I , acknowledging we are what we are by His grace alone. Even a, " brother/sister would you agree this seems to be what is found in God's Word, what do you think an appropriate response would be?", would show this servant's heart. We are all flawed beings in need of the Spirit's guidance into all truth. Sometimes we will not see eye to eye, a simple, as you stated, praying for you in this matter is an excellent response. Just my thoughts.

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News Item4/14/18 8:37 PM
Watcher | North America  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
ladybug wrote:
"Just another biting and devouring day on the SA forum....all in "Christian love" though." - sad but true
The main crux of this problem is how these women were violated which, as I said before is wrong. This is probably on my list of angering things such as abortion, racism and others. I hate this sort of crime. BUT...as I said, modesty is a vital issue for women and girls today. How a woman conducts herself says volumes about her heart. The scriptures are quite clear, and we should never deviate from them no matter how uncomfortable they make us.
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News Item4/14/18 6:24 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
"Just another biting and devouring day on the SA forum....all in "Christian love" though." - sad but true
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News Item4/14/18 6:12 PM
Watcher | North America  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
Constructive criticism wrote:
Watcher, if you think your condescending, condemning, slanderous posts are godly and glorifying to God, you are sadly mistaken. In case you didn’t realize it is was your sin, and mine, that cried out to God for the awful death of His Son. The fact that you won’t change the demeanor of your posts despite Scriptural admonition from Galatians 6 and I Corinthians 13 makes me wonder if you would be willing to adhere to Ephesians 4:29. Don’t say what about so and so as you are responsible for you.
I'm open to correction, show me how to do it then. Here's my response:

You are in error according to scripture. I have shown you numerous times through scripture that you are wrong. Why is it that you cannot see this? I will pray that God opens your eyes to this and makes you sensitive to the truth before it's too late.

Now it's your turn. Show me how to say this "lovingly".

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News Item4/14/18 5:42 PM
Constructive criticism | Take it or leave it  Find all comments by Constructive criticism
Watcher, if you think your condescending, condemning, slanderous posts are godly and glorifying to God, you are sadly mistaken. In case you didn’t realize it is was your sin, and mine, that cried out to God for the awful death of His Son. The fact that you won’t change the demeanor of your posts despite Scriptural admonition from Galatians 6 and I Corinthians 13 makes me wonder if you would be willing to adhere to Ephesians 4:29. Don’t say what about so and so as you are responsible for you.
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News Item4/14/18 5:18 PM
Watcher | North America  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
Lurker wrote:
Anything else? Don't be shy and reserved like you normally are.... I can handle it.
Nothing more to say you beautiful-things-from another-world-you. It wouldn't matter anyway, would it?
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News Item4/14/18 3:57 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Watcher wrote:
@ Lurker...Yep. I don't answer to you Lurker, only God. Speaking of arrogance, you have chased away many who have tried to post on this forum. A little thinned skinned are we? Perhaps you should take a good look in the mirror and ask yourself, "Maybe that was Jesus I just spoke that way to." You are the kind of person who would have shouted for His death because He made you uncomfortable with the truth. Take it or leave it big guy, I really don't care. If you don't like "my version of truth" as you put it, then ignore me. Somehow, I don't think God will judge me for being overly-passionate and overly desiring to see Him glorified by speaking the truth and standing against this nut-house of compromise.
Anything else? Don't be shy and reserved like you normally are.... I can handle it.
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News Item4/14/18 3:20 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
All I can say, is that I find it amazing that a professing Christian can say it's just fine for a young woman to wear gymnastics garb, (which is next to nothing), and to defend it under the basis of athletics!!!!

#MindBlown

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News Item4/14/18 3:16 PM
Angela Wittman | Southern Illinois  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Watcher, I've been periodically posting on this forum for at least a decade (if not longer) and plan to continue as long as the good Lord keeps my computer up and running. I've also spent much time in the kitchen and a little bit of trouble from you won't keep me out. Now, let's just try to avoid each other as it appears you have a grudge against me. Thank you.
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News Item4/14/18 3:09 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
Watcher wrote:
It's a shame to see so many on this forum who supposedly represent Christianity to be so blind and willingly ignorant. I think it's time we as the mature ones in Christ stop stirring the pot and let the Angelas and Lurkers go about their business and false sense of security. I have wasted much time trying to get them to see the truth of God's word and they have not given one shred of scripture to back up their claims. Sad... If you can't take the heat, then stay out of the kitchen. If you can't take honesty, then (how can I say this lovingly)mind your own business. If a Christian has to be politically correct in his walk in order to keep offenses down then the church is in serious trouble. Guess what? I would rather offend everyone on this forum and receive God's approval, than offend a holy God because I didn't have the guts to speak the truth.
Feel better now?

You wanted an apology. Quote my offending comment and I'll apologize. But I suspect that's not what your rant is all about. You want blind submission to your idea of truth.

Here's some advice. It's our responsibility to God to present His truth but it's His job to convince. Learn that little lesson and you'll spare yourself heartburn.

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News Item4/14/18 3:08 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Watcher, it was a sarcastic jibe at ALL of us.
If I offended you, I am sorry.
No worries, I have no intention of sticking around, NOTHING has changed,
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News Item4/14/18 3:04 PM
Watcher | North America  Contact via emailFind all comments by Watcher
MS wrote:
Yes Angela there has been a spirit of legalism, as well as bearing false witness, coddling ecumenicalists, embracing romanist trolls....yada, yada, yada.
Just another biting and devouring day on the SA forum....all in "Christian love" though.
It's not loving to speak the truth? Legalism eh? That old bone has been dragged out for centuries when someone doesn't like the idea of living a disciplined Christian life. Liberty in Christ! Let's live life and have fun! Yahooo! Sickening.
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News Item4/14/18 3:01 PM
MS  Find all comments by MS
Yes Angela there has been a spirit of legalism, as well as bearing false witness, coddling ecumenicalists, embracing romanist trolls....yada, yada, yada.
Just another biting and devouring day on the SA forum....all in "Christian love" though.
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