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Choice News FRIDAY, JUN 9, 2017  |  21 comments  |  1 commentary
United Methodist Church Conference Ordains First 'Nonbinary Trans' Provisional Deacon

The Northern Illinois Conference commissioned M Barclay, who serves as director of communications for the pro-LGBT advocacy group Reconciling Ministries Network, as a provisional deacon on Sunday.

"For so long, I've longed to be a pastoral presence in the world — and certainly you can do that without a collar — but we have ordination for a reason, and part of that is that I can publicly identify as a pastor now," stated Barclay, as reported by United Methodist News Service.


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That Guy | The Planet of Common Sense  Find all comments by That Guy
This is no pastor and no church
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News Item6/10/17 3:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Ignominious Emirakan wrote:
http://www.thomashughesmilner.org/chapter-v-the-priesthood.html
CHAPTER V: The Priesthood, from "The Christian Ministry According to the Apostles" by Thomas Hughes Milner
Every Christian is a priest to God; he that is not a Christian priest is not a Christian. Such is their high calling of God in Christ Jesus, and hence the following Scriptures: Heb. iii. 1, 2, Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest of our profession, Christ Jesus, who was faithful to him that appointed him. 1 Pet. ii. 4-9, Having come to the Lord as to a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God and precious, ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people, that ye should tell forth the perfections of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Rom. xii. 1, . Heb. xiii. 10-16
It's a great blog, upholds George Mueller's church as a good example of biblical practice.
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News Item6/9/17 7:02 PM
Ignominious Emirakan | PeculiarPriestHood  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
http://www.thomashughesmilner.org/chapter-v-the-priesthood.html

CHAPTER V: The Priesthood, from "The Christian Ministry According to the Apostles" by Thomas Hughes Milner

Every Christian is a priest to God; he that is not a Christian priest is not a Christian. Such is their high calling of God in Christ Jesus, and hence the following Scriptures: Heb. iii. 1, 2, Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest of our profession, Christ Jesus, who was faithful to him that appointed him. 1 Pet. ii. 4-9, Having come to the Lord as to a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God and precious, ye also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a purchased people, that ye should tell forth the perfections of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Rom. xii. 1, . Heb. xiii. 10-16
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All who have come to the Lord, all his proselytes, all his people comprise the royal, the holy priesthood. It is expressly, and alone these who are declared to be a chosen generation, a holy nation,
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A sacred and regal priesthood

Body Ministry.

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News Item6/9/17 3:47 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is according to the Epistles of Saint Paul where it states Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons. Why are you so weird? Independent Baptist Churches have ordained clergy and they base their doctrines on the Bible only. So that takes care of your nonsense that ordained clergy are not biblical.
You won that debate, they are so desperate they are talking themselves in circles. Well argued from a Scriptural standpoint John Y
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News Item6/9/17 3:43 PM
Connor7  Contact via emailFind all comments by Connor7
John Y, I'm an independent, fundamental, temperamental, conservative, right winged Baptist, and I agree with everything John Uk said...even if he is peculiar.
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News Item6/9/17 2:59 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
It is according to the Epistles of Saint Paul where it states Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons. Why are you so weird? Independent Baptist Churches have ordained clergy and they base their doctrines on the Bible only. So that takes care of your nonsense that ordained clergy are not biblical.
Not really, John.

There is nothing wrong with bishops, pastors, elders and deacons. That is biblical. The spiritual oversight of a group of Christians is done by elders. Other work is done by deacons. But these are just brothers whose work is recognised by the group, and they play the role.

There is one Master, and we are all brethren. That is, Jesus is the Master, and everyone else are brethren. No clergy and laity, no denominations, no one-man ministry, no lavish buildings, no altar, no stained glass; just plain and ordinary. (see the film "Oliver"). Great film.

Rodney!

Good ol' King James, wherever would we be without it.

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News Item6/9/17 2:32 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
ladybug wrote:
"What we do find is "every-member ministry".
One-man-ministry is not a biblical principle." - this is a foreign concept to organized religion. Many who claim 'authority' over others abuse that authority - such as the 'pope' - who is called 'holy father'. Even though Christ taught us to call no man on earth 'father' - Matthew 23:9
"Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that the pope, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ and as pastor of the entire Christian Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered: that, in brief, "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.
-
"http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM
This is the abuse that often comes with those who claim to have 'authority' over others....
Francis most certainly does not have any authority over me. I reject Francis authority totally.
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News Item6/9/17 2:27 PM
Rodney K. | Tennessee  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rodney K.
John Yurich USA wrote:
...Why are you so weird?
John UK is not weird, but he is peculiar.

"Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works." - (Titus 2:14)

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News Item6/9/17 2:09 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
"What we do find is "every-member ministry".
One-man-ministry is not a biblical principle." - this is a foreign concept to organized religion. Many who claim 'authority' over others abuse that authority - such as the 'pope' - who is called 'holy father'. Even though Christ taught us to call no man on earth 'father' - Matthew 23:9
"Papal supremacy is the doctrine of the Roman Catholic Church that the pope, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ and as pastor of the entire Christian Church, has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered: that, in brief, "the Pope enjoys, by divine institution, supreme, full, immediate, and universal power in the care of souls.
-
"http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM

This is the abuse that often comes with those who claim to have 'authority' over others....

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News Item6/9/17 1:48 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Clergy, cleric, clerical, and laity, are not found in the Bible, John.
What we do find is "every-member ministry".
One-man-ministry is not a biblical principle.
If you read through the new testament you will get the apostolic principle for church order and officers.
It is according to the Epistles of Saint Paul where it states Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons. Why are you so weird? Independent Baptist Churches have ordained clergy and they base their doctrines on the Bible only. So that takes care of your nonsense that ordained clergy are not biblical.
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News Item6/9/17 1:42 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
So in your church there is no ordained clergy?
Clergy, cleric, clerical, and laity, are not found in the Bible, John.

What we do find is "every-member ministry".

One-man-ministry is not a biblical principle.

If you read through the new testament you will get the apostolic principle for church order and officers.

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News Item6/9/17 1:36 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
John UK wrote:
John, there is only one head of the church - Jesus.
We become members of his (one) body at conversion.
We are gifted by God as he wills, in order to benefit and bless the rest of the body at assembly meetings.
We are to be sensitive to the Spirit at meetings, and be led by him. This is the only way that the head gets his way when his people meet.
Clergy and laity are neither terms nor principles found in the new testament.
I think you misunderstood John Y or deliberately avoiding his question. He wasn't talking about removing Jesus as head of the Church. He was more asking about your Church structure. Scripturally sound Churches have Bishops, Pastors, Elders and Deacons per the Epistles of Paul
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News Item6/9/17 1:10 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
So in your church there is no ordained clergy? That sounds like something the JW's believe since they do not have any ordained clergy but every JW is considered to be clergy.
John, there is only one head of the church - Jesus.

We become members of his (one) body at conversion.

We are gifted by God as he wills, in order to benefit and bless the rest of the body at assembly meetings.

We are to be sensitive to the Spirit at meetings, and be led by him. This is the only way that the head gets his way when his people meet.

Clergy and laity are neither terms nor principles found in the new testament.

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News Item6/9/17 12:41 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
John, you can prove it to yourself, no problem. Just read the entire new testament, and observe the biblical instructions for church order and church officers. Then you will know who is correct, and who is talking fantasy.
If you listen to God not men, you will be better off.
So in your church there is no ordained clergy? That sounds like something the JW's believe since they do not have any ordained clergy but every JW is considered to be clergy.
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News Item6/9/17 12:23 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
So there should not be any ordained clergy? The Protestant Reformers did not even believe that insanity. They all believed that only ordained clergy should be pastors.
John, you can prove it to yourself, no problem. Just read the entire new testament, and observe the biblical instructions for church order and church officers. Then you will know who is correct, and who is talking fantasy.

If you listen to God not men, you will be better off.

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News Item6/9/17 12:17 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
My first reaction was to quiet the urge too vomit.
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News Item6/9/17 11:47 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
Besides which, it is unbiblical to have ordination of men, in the sense of a divide between clergy and laity. Church consists of God's people, some of whom are elders and some are accounted deacons, chosen by the local assembly for their God-given gifts.
So there should not be any ordained clergy? The Protestant Reformers did not even believe that insanity. They all believed that only ordained clergy should be pastors.
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News Item6/9/17 7:08 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
God's justice is consistent.
Therefore...

"Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."

"Jude:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities."

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News Item6/9/17 5:49 AM
Ignominious Emirakan | LassieGassie  Find all comments by Ignominious Emirakan
Animal Clergy Training Course OverView

Option 1 : For recognized Ordained Ministers of any faith tradition who affirm and respect other spiritual/religious paths. Everything listed in the "Training Course Overview," below, will apply to you. At the end of your training you will be awarded the "Certified Animal Chaplain" certificate.

Option 2 : For others committed to the welfare and advocacy of animals/pets and their human companions. The Ordainment requirement is waived and acceptance will be on a case-by-case review. You must fill out the application completely, but write "waived" on any questions relating to Ordination. All requirements, as listed below, must be completed in order to be awarded the "Certificate of Completion in Pet Bereavement." If you subsequently become ordained, upon submitting proof of your recognized ordainment, you will be sent the "Certified Animal Chaplain" certificate. A suggested donation for issuing this new "Certified Animal Chaplain" certificate is a minimum of $5, more is gratefully accepted, to the "Helping Paws Fund.

http://www.animalchaplain.info/site/mobile?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.animalchaplain.info%2FCertification_Training.php#2574

Labs/Gerbils/Rats/Snakes all qualify to be Methodist Animal ministers

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News Item6/9/17 3:11 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
"...but we have ordination for a reason, and part of that is that I can publicly identify as a pastor now."

Not in God's sight, you can't.

Besides which, it is unbiblical to have ordination of men, in the sense of a divide between clergy and laity. Church consists of God's people, some of whom are elders and some are accounted deacons, chosen by the local assembly for their God-given gifts.

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