Joel wrote: All very good comments, brothers. May God bless us all with clear understanding of the Scriptures. The word â€śeschatologyâ€ť is not found in the English Bible, mine are least, but we can still use it although it means different things to each of us.
Eschatology comes defined as "the part of theology concerned with death, judgement, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind" from which some chance into the mental gymnastics of timing events and sequences at their fancy without scripture's clear sanction or information.
Mike wrote: Good examples, B., thanks! I guess my issue is not with using 1000 as a figure of speech so much as using the term millenium when the term is definition limited to a real time period. Unlike 1000, millenium is poorly used when used as a figure.
Surely, let's be mindful that the term 'millenium' is not in Scripture, but has been superimposed on Scripture by man made systems of eschatology.
John UK wrote: 1. ... God had a great concern for the poor in our midst. ... laws were given which assisted the poor and ensured they did not starve to death.
2. ... the new apostolic church operated what we would call today an anti-capitalist system.
3. ... "Christian Communism" is probably more valid than "Christian Capitalism"
1. Yes, oppression never has been in God's agenda, hence his multiple mercies in place to assist others in times of strait as a coping mechanism, but not as a philosophical theory of government as communism is.
2. Sorry John, but the NT as much as the OT is full of enterprise, personal initiative towards profit making in view to be able to help others with it when needed. This is capitalism.
3. Communism is a flawed theory that does not work because it deprives the individual from personal initiative and responsibility which were God given from the beginning to man. Communism alocates and redistributes wealth by means of the the state to provide personal needs. Biblically this is not ordained. "And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you; That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without and that ye may have lack of nothing"
Mike wrote: And we should discern the figures from things that aren't. The Bible didn't come up with the term millenium. Why use a word that has specific meaning to describe a figure? When you say we are in the millenium, you are saying we are in a specific period of time. When the Bible means to convey a non-specific period, doesn't it often use the term "..a time.."? Eccl. 3 as example.
Though a thousand figures as a quantifying noun in Scripture , also it also figures at times as an hyperbole figure of speech.
"For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills."
"He has remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."
"Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men."
John UK wrote: Sister B, there might have been just cause for upset, if Bro US really imagined and was portraying that folks in the UK really thought that the services provided by the NHS were somehow delivered without any cost to anyone. ... in which case, he would have been attempting to upset us, telling us in no uncertain terms that folks who think the NHS services are free, are without doubt fools. But none of us in the UK say that the services are "free", but "free at the point of use". There is a world of difference between these two.
Surely, taxation always falls along such benefits. Take care
US There is no harm if you wish to rant till you are blue about the ills of a welfare system. However insisting that 'free at the point of use' is not literally true is ridiculous. We all know it is financed somehow. You are playing with words to rant on a topic. Bye.....
US Please focus and annalize what Adriel's statement says:
"free at the point of use" which is true.
We are not dismissing how this is made possible or denying how it is financed, neither its viability.
Sir, it appears you like playing semantics.
Semantics is when we insist in giving a meaning different to the obvious by subterfuge E. G. Playing semantics is denying that a child can be known also as a kid, a boy or a daughter. Any of these names does not invalidate the first, but semantics will insist it does in a given setting.
This is what you often do. You give words meaning beyond what they actually have along their own context gearing then into another sense. Not a good practice.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: You could say it is prepaid through taxes and high fuel cost. It is like a buy ohe get one free offer, the second item is at no extra cost but if you didn't spend the money for the first one you wouldn't be able to enjoy the second one "free". That doesn't even count the cost of excessive delays, limited time with an actual physician, denied procedures and even out of pocket co-pays. To say it is free at any point is at best, misleading.
Playing on semantics again, US, or seeking to find a loophole behind a true statement to quarell and rant about for a while? Though all you say is true, there is no need for it as Adriel's statement is literately true and can stand on its own as veridic a hundred per cent: Though the service is financed somehow, "nobody needs to pay *at the point of its use*", this is what it literally means "Free at the point of use".
The Quiet Christian wrote: Deep question, John. In the Lord's incredible Providence, He has ordained that we should ask Him and He should answer. The Lord is so far above us that often the "why" of why He does things this way is beyond me. What think thee on said topic?
"O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be *angry* against the prayer of thy people?"
There are prayers God will not answer because the issues are the direct consequence of man's sin collectively which need addressed.
Prayer is not a merry-go-round charm, or a mere wishful thinking that magically may erase man's wrong doings without a consequence.
Prayer is answered when people *turn*. See prayer is not the same as turning, but prayer and turning go together,
"If my people, ... pray, ... *and turn* from their wicked ways; *then* will I hear ... "
Eventually God might 'shake' the heavens and the earth to put an end to an era of sin, but he does this often by bringing peoples to their knees with all the consequences attached to it.
Bro John, May the Lord guide your efforts in the correct track that you may know the paths in which your zeal might be fruitfull in his service at this present age.
CES Never truth comes affected by colour, culture, history, geography, taste, preferences, experience, shapes or sizes.
Stevenr We trust God working inside the parameters of his laws and statutes, not according to our reasoning and logic. He expects and commands us to be prudent, yet he has a blue print for the theory of state, law and order, by which refined western governments have thrived, in contrast to tribal rule. The two things are mixed up in the American way of thinking regarding the issue.
Disclaimer, American friends, sincere apologies, not wishing with this to play the nationalism card here.
One wonders wrote: Didnâ€™t mean to leave out part of quote that refers to the carrying the sword for areas in which there is known present danger like a church that is in a neighborhood that has 7 homicides within 2 miles of it. Hope that puts it back in context
Well, that is what makes the difference. A society having 7 homicides within 2 miles is a sick society. Hence the armed population.
Stever It is not cultural, is about different shades of law, order and government. Americans are intended or programmed to help the state police. Other societies trust God by giving that job entirely to who it is given, the state, as established in Romans 13
Great Sermon! The sons of Belial's come described in the NT as people given "to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful". Sad that children of God should partake of these named traits above. This sermon invites the listener to reflect on this, however as tough as it might sound, the evidence should be that those practicing such traits without repentance ought not to be taken as children of the living God, but of Satan. How sobering that apparent 'puzzling' realities are not identified for what they actually are, henceforth going on unchecked as mere shocking practices among the flock of God.
Mr. T Only because of the lies you portray in the second paragraph of your post is worth putting these few words together to state that you are saying things they were NOT said or implied. They are your raw personal misrepresenting deductions. We read that liers, including twisters of truth, do not inherit the kingdom. As for your pile of personal insult in the first paragraph it declares enough about yourself. As brother John had said sometime ago people who do not have an answer to bring to the table resort to personal abuse, miles away from what is Christian love. Truly a discusting behaviour. Though there are some just antecedents in Scripture, it has never been my policy to hold ignore lists believing everyone deserves time, patience and consideration. In your case now there is enough proof for the contrary. A well intended Christian should not have to come here to receive your kind of insult. Fare well
The Quiet Christian wrote: And Amen to that, Mrs. McC. We are all fallen. But no one needs Hollywood dragging us down further. Please accept my apologies for the US inflicting Hollywood on the world at large.
Yes sir, how different the world would be had we none of that. Still the more sad and lamentable point is how Christian families were not decided enough to close the doors of their homes to the intruding screen.
By pointingly bringing up nationalism, it seems the Adamic nature is flaring up again which certainty can not be pinned to either side of a pond. Comments surging from the topic in question mentioning American culture were without guile on my part, but to state the obvious in order to specifically clarify detail.
No culture is perfect, though some are more influenced by the gospel than others, Hollywood having destroyed much of Western cultures once deeply entrenched in Biblical values, and beyond.