Jim Lincoln wrote: We probably try something a little more close--like Venezuela first
How about nothing at all, anywhere? Let's stop the arrogant imperialistic interventionism. Anyone who was of age during the Vietnam era should know better. America's track record in "Making the world safe for democracy" isn't good.
The Chinese would outlast us anyway; they have more people and patience.
China had a massive problem with opium in the 19th century, thanks to British attempts to redress a trade imbalance with a country that didn't want to buy anything from them.
Lin Zexu was a scholar official (now a sort of popular hero) who tried to stop the trade with severe measures, but got a war with Britain for his trouble. One of the most evil things Britain ever did, all so they could have their stinkin' tea. They didn't care about ruining the lives of millions of Chinamen. Zexu even wrote a letter to Queen Victoria, who either never got it or wouldn't answer.
@JAG: The conservative fixation on pagan classics dates to the Florentine Renaissance, which "rediscovered" Greco-Roman liberal arts. It coincided with the Reformation but was of an entirely different spirit.
Greek philosophy may be worth studying as "opposition research." People often fall into one of the "schools" without realizing it, the Apostle Paul encountered it in Athens, and the RCC is Aristotelian.
The Reformation still gets short shrift because of Catholic influence and mistrust (at best) by most "evangelicals" and Fundies today. It is still too controversial and "sectarian" although there is plenty of material worth studying.
[QUOTE]... The metric of the regulators is not always correct.[/QUOTE]Am I supposed to believe this on faith, absent evidence? Who but a Mormon would go around casting unsubstantiated doubt on regulators' credibility here?
People do survive drinking tainted water. Heard of Moctezuma's Revenge?
The "aesop" here is not how bad LDS is, but that the unstated Prime Directive of any human organization is preserving its righteous faÃ§ade, not reproving and correcting its negligence or injustice. After all, how often does one hear *individuals* admit error and repent?
I don't have figures but according to my late father, at least some ETO veterans, after returning Stateside in 1945, committed suicide upon hearing they were to be redeployed for the expected invasion of Japan, called Operation Downfall. Aptly named; if Okinawa was any indication, it likely would've been a horrific bloodbath, with Japan's whole civilian population mobilized. The A-bombs thus were a mercy to both sides.
I am seeing more and more store clerks with tattoos, at least in America, so I don't think the "paradox" is so "apparent" (BTW the late Gordon Clark once wrote about this issue in theology). For even American and British cops have tattoos now; I suppose this gives them common ground with suspects they arrest.
Irrationally acting on impulse is precisely what corporate marketers and retailers want from the public, and is reinforced by popular songs and film.
This from the man who for years here, has insisted ad nauseum that OT law doesn't apply to Christians, but only Jews! Now I oppose tattoos as well, but as a generalization from 1 Tim. 2:9, not Leviticus.
BTW, I think MacArthur is referring to R.C. Sproul Jr., who was defrocked for clerical abuse. Indeed, I have had dealings with "Reformed" types who insist that wine for Communion is more Biblical and love to spite abstentionists. They will not tolerate even a choice of juice. How's this for Legalism [category: adding to God's Law]?
Frank wrote: This comment will sound divisive, but it is not my intent.
I get you too. The Double Standard you identified may be borne of wishful thinking. I have the same concerns about Mideast persecution: Are these folks truly our brothers in Christ, or are they merely sacerdotal traditionalists whose time has run out? Maybe God is judging them for unbelief (and we're next)!
And even with the sort of people you and I may rub shoulders with every Sunday, the injustice and lack of conscience I've seen makes me wonder if they are truly indwelt by the Holy Spirit. It's not the imperfection, but the lack of repentance that's the problem.
The dilemma seems to be, the only churches worthy of fellowship are those in which all believe in Biblical truth. Yet such people (as I've seen at SermonAudio) tend to be opinionated and contentious unless everyone agrees to shut up and let the pastor have the last word, which can open the door to doctrinal error unless he's held to account. Like society at large, civilized disagreement appears to be out of reach; to get along, one must be (or seem) indifferent, which God condemns!
As a result, there has been a lot of churn in our membership over the years, causing us to lose friends. Some departures were for what seemed like trivial reasons. It's like entropy, everyone flying apart from each other.
Even if there was a "gay gene" or some other pertaining to sexual tendencies, it doesn't logically follow that it's a good or acceptable thing ("Appeal to Nature" fallacy). Besides, no one disputes that certain chronic diseases are genetic, such as hemophilia.
Jim Lincoln wrote: "The New York Times is fighting to maintain a middle course while being beset by criticism on all sides â€”
"Middle course" - ha! The NYT motto "All the news that's fit to print" might impress simpletons but begs a huge philosophical question. The idea of an impartial press is a risible fiction and always has been.
A little disclosure never hurts: Carlos Slim, a Mexican billionaire and a devout Maronite Catholic [got that, Jim?], is the largest single shareholder in NYT. Should we be so foolish as to believe he would tolerate content that would displease him?
Adriel wrote: Where on earth do they get these people from[?]
Modern churches have tendencies which IMHO, attract perverts: 1) Christians are encouraged to think well of and trust everybody, not helped by preaching which deemphasizes the depravity and deceitfulness of sin, which leads to: 2) Too much trust of church staff, especially: 3) Pastor personality cults, which discourage accountability.
Like con men, perverts are experts at grooming their marks and know how to gain trust of people.
What a lousy excerpt you found! MacArthur is Special Pleading and adds no value. Stop following him, Scofield, and Ryrie, and read the Bible without prejudice, as Tim says.
Lindsey confidently predicted 1988 as the date of the Rapture. Surely the Bible is clear, as MacArthur says, right? Then why are you still here? If he was wrong, he deserved to be tarred and feathered as a False Prophet. But as usual, credulous "Christians" gave him a pass, like the Millerites in the 1840s.
We used to attend an Evang. Free church. They weren't terribly different from other churches.
I always wondered why organized churches would be dogmatic about End Times, as the Reformation Confessions were silent on the subject despite being very specific and pedantic on other doctrinal questions.
I am unconvinced of any position, so I don't blame the Reformers' silence here.
Shrinks manufacturing controversy to grab the limelight. One doesn't get degrees, fame/notoriety, and grants by reiterating the same old ideas every year. No idea, no matter how stupid or foolish, is unthinkable so long as it's new.