John UK wrote:
cont.
"I am quite familiar with the objections commonly brought against the theory I have just propounded. I find no weight in them, and am not careful to answer them. Those who confine God’s love exclusively to the elect appear to me to take a narrow and contracted view of God’s character and attributes. They refuse to God that attribute of compassion with which even an earthly father can regard a profligate son, and can offer to him pardon, even though his compassion is despised and his offers refused. I have long come to the conclusion that men may be more systematic in their statements than the Bible, and may be led into grave error by idolatrous veneration of a system." Ryle

Hebrews 12

6 For WHOM THE LORD LOVETH HE CHASTENETH, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But IF YE BE WITHOUT CHASTISEMENT, whereof all are partakers, then are YE ARE B@STARDS, and not sons.

Does God love countless millions who God won’t call with His Spirit and command the light to shine out of darkness? Of course not how can Jesus proclaim to many I never knew you if God has loved them, can two walk together unless they be in agreement let alone the Trinity be divided?

If the world HAS to mean all as you proclaim then we should marvel not that every single person hates us because of Christ! Oh but we know we will be loved of the brethren so scripture interprets who the “world” is in that verse as it makes no sense according to scripture to say that “world” in that verse means every single person! Now we know from my earlier comment that God hates some so how in the world do you interpret “world” in John 3:16 as every person?

Hos 9

15All their wickedness is in Gilgal: FOR THERE I HATED THEM: for the WICKEDNESS of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I WILL LOVE THEM NO MORE: all their princes are revolters.

Do you believe that God hated them in the above verse for their wickedness as the Bible proclaims John? The answer should be a yes if you believe the Bible. Now do you suppose God just “picked” on these people or is it how He deals with all?

Psalm 5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: THOU HATEST ALL WORKERS of iniquity.

God gave you the answer right there. Why in the world would God say this if He loves all already?

John 14

21“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me SHALL BE LOVED of my Father, and I WILL LOVE HIM, and will manifest myself to him.”

Makes absolutely no sense to say “I WILL Love him” if Jesus loves them already.

John UK wrote:
1 John 5:1 KJV
(1)  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God...
Those who believe that Jesus is the Christ have been born again.

Let’s take AM if he believes in a “Jesus” who loves everyone then he simply believes in a false Christ as Jesus will cast many to hell proclaiming “I NEVER knew you”

If someone believes God loves everyone he believes in a false God as God proclaims Jacob have I loved and Esau have I HATED”

How in the world can God love some and Jesus proclaim to many He never even knew them? Is the Trinity divided

2 Corinthians 11:4

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

This “Jesus” who wants to save everyone is not the Jesus who prayed not for the world but for His sheep.

This “Jesus” who died for everyone is not the Jesus who laid down His life for the sheep.

Another Michael wrote:
Ladybug you keep saying things like its 'because they are predestined to', 'because they are not of the elect' while Jesus Christ says its because their hearts have grown dull.

AM your comment made no sense at all. Who hardens the heart and stops the ears and gives a spirit of slumber to men? God does according to his word. I know that enraged you.
Romans 11:8
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
God has to give a heart to believe!
Deut 29
Deuteronomy 29:4
Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.
Luke 8:10
And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

John Yurich USA wrote:
Well Kev being a Calvinist is incapable of making sense since Calvinism does not make any sense whatsoever with its salvation doctrine that states that God predestinates those who will be saved and those who will be spending eternity in Hell. That kind of salvation system goes against the teaching of Jesus to go into all the world and preach the Gospel so that individuals can receive salvation.

Lurker wrote:
Exactly, Kev.
1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
Gotta go.

Luke 11:39

39 And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness.

I see what you are saying. Have a good day Bro.
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John check Heb 8 I believe that will help with what you were talking with Lurker about.

John UK wrote:
Here is the testimony of a man who does not yet believe on the Son of God, but he knows Jesus healed him...

Romans 11:8

8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

God has to give a heart to believe!

Deut 29
Deuteronomy 29:4
Yet the LORD hath not given you an heart to perceive, and eyes to see, and ears to hear, unto this day.

You aren’t seeing that it still is a picture of particular atonement for Israel a picture of the Church and not for the Gentiles. Your argument is faulty. The picture of the OT atonement is still a picture of limited atonement unless you say it was for the Gentiles as well.

John UK wrote:
Hi Kev
The man in question knew virtually no theology compared to you. Note,
John 9:24-25 KJV
(24)  Then again called they the man that was blind, and said unto him, Give God the praise: we know that this man is a sinner.
(25)  He answered and said, Whether he be a sinner or no, I know not: one thing I know, that, whereas I was blind, now I see.
That was all he knew. Jesus had restored his sight. That's it. And for giving his testimony of healing he was thrust out of the synagogue.
Of course, you want to apply all your theology to his conversion, but the scriptures do not do that. It tells it like it is.
You can check it out with all the other conversions in the gospels. On the human level (our world) all the conversions were very simple. Of course they were also profound, because of the effectual call of Jesus Christ, but simple nonetheless.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Sabbatarian, Kev?

MS wrote:
Hi there Kev, it was a good little sermon to point Chris to, it touched on many of the points that he has questions concerning.
Good afternoon sister ladybug

Watcher wrote:
I have had my fill of this. John Piper embraces Rick Warren. John MacArthur embraces John Piper. Both men embrace RC Sproul. Where's the rebuke? Where's the separation? No more does iron sharpen iron. No, the iron of scripture has been replaced by velvet, in hope no one gets offended.