The philosophy that some hold too is just plain fatalistic and isnâ€™t how God does things. We know God will judge each according to their own sins and nobody elseâ€™s. If some are born unable to believe, then they canâ€™t be blamed for their inability understand.
â€śWoe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!â€ť â€â€Matthewâ€¬ â€18:7â€¬
God takes no pleasure in the wickedness of others, the offenses against Him distress Him!
â€śAnd a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.â€ť â€â€1 Peterâ€¬ â€2:8â€¬
Who are they? The disobedient. What are they appointed for? To stumble at the word.
However, that doesnâ€™t mean one cannot be obedient as to not stumble.
â€śBut now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:â€ť â€â€Romansâ€¬ â€16:26â€¬
Scripture is preached to bring about a desire in people to become obedient to the faith.
â€śLet no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.â€ť â€â€Jamesâ€¬ â€1:13-15â€¬
Judas sinned because of his own lust, itâ€™s not Godâ€™s fault and God would have rather Judas had turned from his sin and lived.
â€śHave I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?â€ť â€â€Ezekielâ€¬ â€18:23â€¬
â€śFor thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.â€ť â€â€Psalmsâ€¬ â€5:4â€¬
It amazes me how everytime Franklin makes a biblical statement about something, Christians come out of the woodwork to disparage the guy. There arenâ€™t a whole lot of people in the media taking a stand for modesty. Iâ€™m glad he said something!
Without His righteousness and only His, I will not enter eternal life! Not to mention the whole fact that if someone pays your speeding ticket, it doesnâ€™t mean you arenâ€™t still guilty of speeding! Thatâ€™s why when people pay there ticket, there insurance still goes up. You have Jesus paying the penalty for your sin while you yourself are still guilty of sinning. Kind of pointless!
What you are feeling is pretty typical of those who live in a Calvinistic bubble. If anyone quotes the Bible to them and it doesnâ€™t line up with what they were taught by men, then that person bringing the gospel truth must be a demon! You are playing into the Calvinist stereotype, but thatâ€™s your free choice to do so! Funny how the Biblical and traditional viewpoint is now considered demonic by Calvinist! Especially when one considers Calvinism is rooted in the teachings of the Catholic Saint Augustine and really only took hold of the church about 500 years ago. I guess everyone was demonic 1500 years before Calvinism came along!
The cross proves Jesus was sinless and didnâ€™t take on the culpability of anyone elseâ€™s sin or else He would not have been raised. He would still be under judgement. He was called the spotless lamb for a reason! It seems to me to be a system of works to say that you are saved because of what God did in paying the punishment for your sins. What about all of the other time you did not sin? It becomes God plus youâ€™re works will carry you to eternal life. Itâ€™s a system of getting to eternal life by how you lived your life with Jesus filling in the gaps. I depend on being in Christ who alone is righteous. Without His righteousness an
God isnâ€™t proven anything. He is omniscient. I was speaking about us. The death of Christ proves who He is because it was foretold in prophecy. His resurrection is proof to us that He was righteous and met all of the requirements of the law. Jesus was not guilty of His sin or anyone elseâ€™s or He would have remained dead.
Iâ€™ve never said that I donâ€™t believe God forgives sins! You, on the other hand, must believe that there are no sins to forgive if they were somehow punished at the cross!
The cross is how Jesus proved His innocence before God because if He was guilty of sin, He would have remained in the grave. However, Jesus didnâ€™t remain in the grave. That is because He alone is righteous. Only sinners will be eternally punished by God. Jesus was not, is not, and never will be a sinner deserving punishment.
John UK... Where do I get that from? You have said that Jesus had to pay whatever penalty was due to a person for their sins to be forgiven. Therefore, a person would have all of their sins forgiven and there would be no need for forgiveness or imputed righteousness because that person would already be in righteous standing having no sin held against them.
The punishment Jesus suffered was physical death on the cross. â€śCursed is everyone who hangs on treeâ€ť. Not in my place because I deserved death while Jesus did not. Nowhere does it ever teach in the Bible that Jesus suffered the everlasting punishment for anyoneâ€™s sin or that anyone is righteous due to their meritorious standing with God, having Jesus somehow perfected the requirements of the law within them.
In your convoluted logic, what would be the point of having Christ righteousness imputed to someone if they are already righteous because He paid the penalty for their sin?
â€śChrist hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:â€ť â€â€Galatiansâ€¬ â€3:13â€¬
Jesus laid down His life to redeem the world. That was the cost of it. Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world because He alone is righteous thereby appeasing the requirements of the law which God demands, in and of Himself. He is our propitiation. Those requirements are not met within ourselves by Jesus. Jesus Himself met them and nobody else meets them unless they are in the one who met them.
The err...nonsense, is getting pretty high from you. Did you actually read the passage? It says people are justified IN CHRIST! It is in Jesus that oneâ€™s guilt is appeased, it is the righteousness of Christ which cancels the penalty for oneâ€™s sin, not our own righteousness. We ainâ€™t righteous!
The problem is you see Jesus as your Savior in the past tense based off of what you think He did on the cross. The Bible, however, teaches that Jesus is the Savior in the current tense because it is in Him that one is saved whenever they believe. You suppose He made you righteous by suffering all of the punishment for all of your sin, making you innocent. While the Bible teaches believers are saved in Christ by His righteousness because He alone is The Righteous One.
How can there be another temple when God now dwells in believers? The Jews can build it, but that doesnâ€™t make it a real temple of God.
Oh please! FYI, Jesus died for the sins of the whole world without spending trillions of lifetimes in eternal damnation to do it. Secret...itâ€™s not about you and your righteousness because you still donâ€™t have any, even after the cross, itâ€™s about Jesus and being clothed in His righteousness.
Just because you donâ€™t have ears to hear doesnâ€™t mean itâ€™s demonic dribble! I showed you how God works in the hearts of all people through the word of God by the preaching of the gospel.
I get that there is a difference between carnal and spiritual. Do you also get that a believer can be carnal? That right there should show you that carnal people can be saved. Romans 8 pertains to the law and how we wonâ€™t obey it.
â€śBecause the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.â€ť â€â€Romansâ€¬ â€8:7â€¬
That doesnâ€™t mean one canâ€™t believe in Christ because...wait for it...faith isnâ€™t a work of the law!