Neil wrote:
Jim is playing the troll here, trying to start a fight over the KJV which was mentioned neither by the article nor the 1st poster.
Prov. 6:16,19: "The Lord hates ... he that soweth discord among brethren." [KJV, not needing Google Translate]

Psalm 120
Deliver my soul, O LORD, from lying lips, and from a deceitful tongue

The church has lost its 'salt' and it is then good for nothing. This is why even governments clasify it as a none essential entity. All the charity work, (the good works we have been created in Christ Jesus to bear fruit with), education and social health support has been stripped from the hands of the church and placed in the hands of socialistic protocols of the state who can even dictate when and how the church can act, so the church is relagated to warm up high-maintenance complexs, and hollow, empty shell structures for three hours a week, cater for their own petty projects, and run their little amusing shows for Christmas, and similar occasions.

[Mat 5:13 KJV]

WayneR wrote:
A thing I learned studying with the Watchtower Society prior to my conversion, be careful with a Bible version that removes or even adds just one letter. John 1: 1 see their New World Translation.
Next look up I Timothy 3: 16 in the KJV and the ending of Mark 16. Look up your own version and compare the NWT.
Study costs you time and effort. The Reformation Bibles v the Modern? The Received Text v The Critical?
WM 177: Jeff Riddle and James White Debate Mark 16:9-20
https://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=106201639404038
Debate Follow Up: The Two Most Shocking Things Said By James White in Our Debates
http://www.jeffriddle.net/2020/10/the-two-most-shocking-things-said-by.html?m=1
WM 179: Refuting James White's Four Internal Arguments Against Mark 16:9-20
http://www.jeffriddle.net/2020/10/wm-179-refuting-james-whites-four.html?m=1
Taylor DeSoto Responding to 20 Common Claims Made Against the TR
https://youngtextlessreformed.com/2020/10/06/20-articles-that-refute-modern-textual-criticism/
If the longer ending of Mark is God breathed, imagine removing it. Or removing GOD from I Tim 3: 16?
Serious business is a God breathed Bible version, so why the shorter e

Mike
The word *even* in the Lord of the Sabbath has a copulative function but also a cumulative force.
There has to be a Sabbath for him to be Lord of it. He cannot be the Lord of something that does not exist.

Malcom Watts has a conclusive sermon on the topic here for any who would have ears to hear as usual.

Perhaps you need to remember that this is a free speech forum in some measure somehow yet. So your opinion is welcome the same as mine or any body elses'. Perhaps the issue is about suppressing truth or facts you might not like, say intolerance.
My apologies for this direct talk.

Mike wrote:
It seems doubtful the multitude of the heavenly host appearing before the shepherds, praising God, we’re commanded to do so.

Sad that ceremoniously each year the preaching in many neo evangelical pulpits conveniently gravitates towards the doctrine of the 'incarnation' for the last 3 Sundays of December, only to be omitted for the next 11 months, while passages as Luke 2 and a Matthew 1 and similar, hibernate from year to year in the preachers's desks.

Being teaching the urgent need of the contemporary church, one wonders where is the Holy Spirit's guidance in this.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
ladybug

BMcCausland, the post isn't about the issue of crafty preachers. It is about the blessing of the Incarnation and verses from the Word of God that should be the joy and rejoicing of our heart. Your message will not be seen by the preachers you disdain. There is always going to be problems in Christianity and so called Christianity that ought to be lamented. There is also a time to rejoice in the truths of Scripture and it will do us all well to focus on the joys we have in Christ and not just the problems that surround us

See how many will rush into celebrating the incarnation at least 5 times a year without musicals, heretical Carol singing, gifts, presents, commercial gain, drink, dinners, parties, extraordinary eating, lights, trees, trimmings, fuss, Santa myth, garlands, tinsel, or ornamentations.

Chrisgp from England wrote:
Lockdown is a term, as far as I am aware, that before 2020 was used exclusively in prisons, where the Governor of the prison thought there was going to be a riot, or one started, he would sound the alarm, lockdown would be shouted down the megaphone or loudspeaker, and the guards would close off all the prison areas locking them down, and any inmates found out of their cells would be jumped on, handcuffed, pushed to the floor, and the marched to punishment cells. This COVID 19 crisis has ceased to be treated like a medical emergency, but like a punishment mode, and has become an exercise in complete control, of government tyranny, and globalisation. However, God will have then in derision. Psalm 2.

Looker on wrote:
B. McCausland, 😴zzz.

Looker on wrote:
Sixty percent of the victims are female.In a culture that promotes misogyny and sexual harassment, not unlike the patriarchal cults of America and a couple of ‘pilgrim’ commenters on this site. 🤮

Neil wrote:
Welfare without accountability is the real Opiate of the Masses. So those who promote it are no better than drug dealers, for once the shame of unearned income is lost, it is rarely regained. And I think Progressives know that people on welfare will never vote for candidates who would curtail or eliminate it.
Which is why welfare recipients should not have the right to vote in jurisdictions paying them benefits, for it amounts to Conflict of Interest. For the same reason, corporations with gov't contracts should not be allowed to finance election campaigns.

The Quiet Christian wrote:
SA ... Great example!

John Lee wrote:
... there are plenty of other people on this forum who read Bibles other than the KJV. Have a go at them, if you are genuinely concerned about it.

The risks sustained by the thought for thought translations are too high to keep silent in this day of church prevarication, characterised by great faith in method rather than in the righteousness of God's Holy Spirit, - the average Christian Church convinced that easy-read texts might render better 'convert' results.

God revealed his *words* for us to be kept, and reserved his *thoughts* for himself as they are too deep to be totally perceived by terrestrials.

When the Bible speaks of God's *thoughts* it means his utter design, but when a message is passed to man, the wording is not that he passed to us his *thoughts*, but his *words*.

True, there are no original autographs, but there is a body of historical evidence, partly demonstrated by over 5000 pieces of extant copies that agree towards the reliance on what it has become the TR underlying the AV.

Yeah, it would be desirable to have a just revision of the AV to make justice to a number of details, but where are the trusted scholars who would do that without bias and with earnest love and purpose as the divines of 1611 did?
Regretfully, scholarship is in the hands of the liberals nowadays. Meanwhile let verity stay in the camp while divine preservation takes over.

You are ready and willing to sacrifice principle for convenience or pragmatism.

In bible matters this is NOT a valid currency.

Yours is the talk and arguments Mr Lincoln held here long ago. It appears time has won you to his sway.

Relativism has gripped your time.
How have you changed!

Btw, most of the issues you detail in your last post are details of little significance, mere pretexts affecting little, but rather on the other hand you skirt over and omitt the important true doctrinal compromising flaws such texts sustain, or lead to.

John, for a while, some here have pointed out you as riding two horses on the same topic, say as being for and against an issue ambiguously and simultaneously. This makes you either a troll or an unstable believer. You cannot sit on two chairs at once.