2 Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all¬†men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
With Gentleness and with meekness are we to share the gospel as well as differing positions. Also, God promised only one new name per Isa. 62:2 and that would be the name of "Christian". Why would any other name be desired?
B. McCausland wrote: You are deviating from the topic by creating rabbit trails. Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing. Nevertheless, the witness of the Spirit is real by its fruit experienced when in obedience to the seal, but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious.
Sister, I sincerely do not know what you mean by creating a rabbit trail. I am trying to answer your questions in all honesty and to the point.
"Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing."
Sister, the type and reality is a slain lamb/Lamb. The Hebrews ate the lamb, and we eat the Lamb by fulfilment. If you read paragraph 7 you will see it is not physical but spiritual.
"but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious."
Who said anything about a mystical experience? Or even an experience at all?
. Graham spoke at Belmont Abbey College, a North Carolina Catholic school. On Nov. 21, 1967, he returned to Belmont Abbey to receive an honorary degree. At that time he made a shocking statement. He said, that he 'knew of no greater honor' than the receiving of this degree. Then the shocker comes when he said, 'The gospel that built this school and the gospel that brings me here tonight is still the way to salvation. Another significant thing happened in the early ‚Äė50s in Boston. Cardinal Cushing, in his magazine, The Pilot, put ‚ÄėBRAVO BILLY‚Äô on the front cover. That made news all over the country. He and I became close, wonderful friends. That was my first real coming to grips with the whole Protestant/Catholic situation. I began to realize that there were Christians everywhere. They might be called modernists, Catholics, or whatever, but they were Christians‚ÄĚ (Bookstore Journal, Nov. 1991) The 1972 Franciscan International Award for True Ecumenism' was present[ed] to Billy Graham April 21, 1972 at Minneapolis. Dr. Graham was selected to receive the coveted award by leading Catholic laymen and women in the Twin City area and delegates of the Franciscan Order for 'his sincerity and authenticity in presenting the Gospel of Christ" -the RCC loved Billy.
People who elected republican governors most likely are rule followers. . Democratic governors are supported by people who complain but just like governors to tell everyone ‚Äú this is how it‚Äôs gonna be. We have a presidential election in 4 months. Joe Biden probably is showing early signs of Dementia. I‚Äôm not saying that to be political but despite my boss‚Äôs view, ‚Äú I‚Äôll take a deminshed joe Biden any day over Trump. Is quite telling. You elect Biden, they‚Äôll pull the 12th amendment so fast, Kamela Harris won‚Äôt be seared at her desk in the White House as Vice President before she‚Äôs asked to meet in the Oval Office for her swearing in as president. Yes, you thought Hillary was a monster, your ability to elect and represent will be gone because the new normal is white guys are always the problem, the police will be laid off by the thousands and prisons will be emptied out. That is how God releases a nation for judgement.
John UK wrote: As for your question, no, no mystical experience, purely remembrance. This is because the passover was a type/shadow of the real thing, Christ our passover being slain for us. Therefore we can expect much more in the fulfilment than in the shadow. And I believe scripture teaches that. eg. 1 Corinthians 10:16.
You are deviating from the topic by creating rabbit trails.
Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing. Nevertheless, the witness of the Spirit is real by its fruit experienced when in obedience to the seal, but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious.
I do know that the opening of the Billy Graham museum, Billy Graham was asked what he thought of the museum and he said, ‚Äú there‚Äôs just too much ‚Äú Billy ‚Äú and no near as much as to who is Jesus ‚Äú. At the core, many people will look at Billy Graham and think his approach was to present a palpable Jesus. But, honestly, he was an evangelist for the 20 th century. And at the end of the war, America was relishing their new found faith in being an American. Billy Graham presented a simpler time and a very primitive understanding of salvation. His approach really was no different than what was offered in practically every country Southern Baptist church of the 1940‚Äôs. He broadened that message to everyone, and at the core was a principaled evangelical gospel message. But by including Catholics, Lutherans, and Episcopalians- that‚Äôs where your compromising a gospel for whatever is interpreted by the hearers. One thing I do know- a catholic priest did not want to have his little catholic followers listen to a Billy Graham on television- too many questions and after awhile- folks stop coming to mass. Billy Graham was disruptive , wherever he went.
Tim- quoting random verses doesn't negate your error of mixing words that conflict.
CV made an excellent observation, "Dr. Tim wrote: John 6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; ... ‚ÄĒJesus Christ Everyone who comes to Jesus for salvation is given to Jesus by the Father.
Just a little shift, and it makes man God, and God a subservient tp Man. Here you see the two "elects"... FYI, your problem is with God's truth, "So faith is from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ". Romans 10:17. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.- Romans 1:16 . ...
Ladybug wrote: 1. ... Infants can neither hear nor comprehend the preaching of the Gospel, which is the means God uses to bring his elect to Christ.
Can God work with or without means?
Are you saying that all elect infants that die in infancy are not elect and therefore cannot be save or said another way; no infant can be saved till he is of the age of comprehension?
As you see it sanctification is done once for all at conversion? Just forget about Php 2:12,13¬† Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.¬† For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.¬†
Rom 12:1,2¬† I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.¬†
You may refer to me as a Calvinist where as I might refer to you as a John Reisingerist as opposed to his RB brother. Which dates me I'd imagine. What that means is we have embraced the teachin
B. McCausland wrote: John, as a reminder to all, men are to teach from Scriptures, not to make compendiums of 'infallible' doctrinal statements to be in place of the script. Any chance of answering to my question? Do you reckon that the Israelites eating the passover had a mystical awareness, or a grateful remembrance of true facts in their past history ?
Sister B, the 1689 Baptist Confession is a compendium of scriptural quotations, formed into readable paragraphs similar to the WCF. Let me give you an example from mine own mind.
The person of Jesus Christ: He is
1. The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world. [proof text John 1:29]
When Baptist ministers preach, they usually take a text, say John 1:29, and expound it using their own words and other parts of scripture. I am not one of those who believes only the Bible should be read out in church without commentary.
As for your question, no, no mystical experience, purely remembrance. This is because the passover was a type/shadow of the real thing, Christ our passover being slain for us. Therefore we can expect much more in the fulfilment than in the shadow. And I believe scripture teaches that. eg. 1 Corinthians 10:16.
Goodness, I wonder if John's fellow pilgrim, Frank, will gush over his buddy's statement, "He was a very humble man, and his preaching always left you thinking of Jesus." Graham preached a different jesus,"The Gospel is the power of God that takes a thief and makes him or her an honest person. The Gospel is the power of God that changes a murderer into a person whose heart is filled with love. .. I cannot urge you too strongly to say yes to the Lord Jesus right now, in the quietness of your own heart, to turn to Him from your sins and receive Him as your Lord and Savior." If you will receive Him, He will receive you, and you will find that this Gospel, which tells of His death, burial and resurrection for you, is the power of God unto eternal salvation." This is Arminian dung, telling sinners to do x y and z. This accursed gospel saves no one, it does lead all who follow and defend it back to the mother church. There's no room for Christ in Graham's gospel, which points the sinner to self and dead works.
FYI, ask yourself this, faith comes by hearing, the Bible teaches this. Infants can neither hear nor comprehend the preaching of the Gospel, which is the means God uses to bring his elect to Christ. So, your claim that God will save a baby apart from the Gospel borders mysticism. You are more in line with Rome than with the God of the Bible. As for progressive sanctification, God never looks to the sinner for any kind of acceptance before Him, He only sees the finished work of His Son as satisfactory on behalf of the elect. Paul must not have gotten the memo on your progressive dung, Romans 7 lays out the reality of every believer. You will never be holier today than yesterday, for you are a sinner. The only acceptable holiness is Christ, who was without sin. That's the only acceptable holiness before God- sinless perfection. He will not lower those standards.
Dolores wrote: Hi JohnUk, I agree because to me its pretty close to what Paul encountered at Corinth so many idols and one unknown to cover all bases. Billy Graham being the humble man he was would not have wanted a statue put up to honor him. He always pointed to Christ and Christ alone as the way to salvation.
Hi Dolores, and good to hear from you and renew fellowship. Yes, I agree. He was a very humble man, and his preaching always left you thinking of Jesus. I personally believe that he would be very upset over the building of a statue representing him. ___________
Billy Graham preached a different jesus, one you could make a decision for. This was his undoing, his statue would be similar to that of Dagon. From Graham concerning his meeting RCC priest Fulton Sheen, "We talked about our ministries and our common commitment to evangelism, and I told him how grateful I was for his ministry and his focus on Christ. ‚Ä¶ We talked further and we prayed; and by the time he left, I felt as if I had known him all my life.‚ÄĚ. Graham failed to distinguish the RCC Jesus from the Christ of the Bible, which testifies he doesn't know the true Christ. Erecting a statue isn't as problematic as Graham's Arminian false gospel and his being in bed with Rome, the great harlot.
B. McCausland wrote: John, confessions are not inspired documents, neither their writers were sinless, perfect or infallible, but subceptive to bagages. Ps. No need to go ad hominem please.
Sister, no ad hominem from me, I assure you, merely observing the scriptural practice and seeking to be conformed to the will of God.
As to the first part of your comment, sure, no problem. I don't have truck with Protestant Popes, whether they be men or women. We are all of us subject to frailty of thought, misinterpretations of scripture, endless eschatological debate, and so on.
But it is a plain fact of scripture, which all must agree on, that God has ordained men to teach the word of God to a flock, whether or not they have all their i's dotted and t's crossed. This is the blueprint, and those who are likened to the gainsaying of Korah, who refused submission to Moses, may have to pay a price for their rebellion, for God will have purity in the camp. This is why some will not attend a church fellowship, they will never live in submission to anyone. Maybe the devil got them into that state, but it is a sad case, and makes for unfruitfulness in the kingdom of God.