Do YOU know ‚Äúthe true gospel ‚Äú? If so, why don‚Äôt you trot it out, instead of spewing bitterness and accusations (and I thought Satan was ‚Äúthe accuser of the brethren‚ÄĚ) like you have done so far on this thread? You act as if you are more concerned about keeping the wrong people from getting saved than you are in helping the right ones to find the way of life.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: John it is not so much a matter of not pondering in the past as it is taking time to write it out so it will communicate what I am trying to say in a concise manner this forum dictates.
I know what you're saying brother. No worries then, take as much time as you need, and I look forward to reading your conciseness.
Dr. Tim wrote: But John, I thought the reason Jesus hung for so many hours on the cross was so He‚Äôd have time to instruct that thief on (drumroll, eerie organ music) The Doctrines Of Sovereign Grace. Do you mean to tell me that man just asked Jesus for salvation and got it? Kinda sounds like Romans 10:13 to me: ‚ÄúFor WHOSOEVER [Yippee! Hot diggety dog! Glory hallelujah!] shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL be saved.‚ÄĚ
Tim, can I ask you something? Do you believe that sin is an illness in man that makes him innocent and needs healing. If no, check out the following text and keep to the literal interpretation instead of spiritualising it. Then tell me what you think it is saying. Thank you bro.
Isaiah 53:4-5 KJV (4)¬† Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. (5)¬† But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
John UK wrote: Brother US, ponder away as you will, it is no problem. I am very much looking forward to reading your completed essay. I will just say that as you are pondering so long on this, it is surely a sign that you have not given it much thought in the past. Well bro, it is no different to myself, as these things are very recent in mine own thinking. There is far more to communion than most fellow believers realise, and it may be time to get out the creeds and confessions of our particular church and see what our founders thought about it. Clearly, the independent and separatist Baptist pastors of 1689 collectively agreed on a most informative and heartwarming exposition of what the communion was all about. And at last I now see that the communion table must be a closed table, even though that produces logistical difficulties. In those days the Baptists were called Strict and Particular Baptists; they held a strict (closed) table and a particular view of the atonement (that Christ died particularly for those chosen by the Father).
John it is not so much a matter of not pondering in the past as it is t taking ime to write it out so it will communicate what I am trying to say in a concise manner this forum dictates.
Graham never knew the true Gospel, wolves deceive by mixing truth with error, Graham didn't have enough truth to mix with his deadly concoction- Billy Graham says: 'ūüĎČAnyone who makes a decisionūüĎą at our meetings is referred to a local clergyman, Protestant, Catholic, or Jewish.' (1957) Roman Catholic Cardinal Cushing said: "I am 100 percent for the evangelist...I have never known a religious crusade that was more effective than Dr. Graham's. I have never heard the slightest criticism of anything he has ever said from any Catholic source." (1964) In 1963 Billy Graham said that he had a Roman Catholic bishop stand beside him and bless the 'converts' as they came forward in San Paulo, Brazil." -http://gochristianhelps.com/books/b/bynum/graham.htm. as many sing the praises of Billy Graham, it is a true testimony the delusion is indeed strong. Graham preached the accursed 'whosoever/Arminian gospel which is a load of dung
Isaiah 50:4 ‚ÄúThe Lord GOD hath given me the tongue of the learned, that I should know how to speak a word in season to him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as the learned..."Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures"- unless the Lord opens the mind to truth, u won't get it...
B. McCausland wrote: John, the Lord's supper is the type of the future supper of the Lamb when all the fruits of the redemptive work will be enjoyed in full. No, we do not eat the lamb at the Lord's supper. We do remember his attonning death. I Corinthians 15, which gives the theological interpretation of it, does not talk about the Lord's supper in that light.
That's okay sister. You have a Bible and the ability to read it; therefore you are responsible for what you believe from it.
It's a shame that your beliefs counter those of the Westminster worthies and the over 100 pastors of the Strict Baptists, but Hey Ho, there is yet time to change. We should always be growing and learning, and I have only just come into this myself over the last few weeks, so I can't complain. No-one ought change overnight. These things require a whole deal of thought and prayer and study of scripture.
But John, I thought the reason Jesus hung for so many hours on the cross was so He‚Äôd have time to instruct that thief on (drumroll, eerie organ music) The Doctrines Of Sovereign Grace. Do you mean to tell me that man just asked Jesus for salvation and got it? Kinda sounds like Romans 10:13 to me: ‚ÄúFor WHOSOEVER [Yippee! Hot diggety dog! Glory hallelujah!] shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL be saved.‚ÄĚ
Jim, that was certainly a nice effort at deflection (‚ÄúHow white supremacy infected... the Republican Party‚ÄĚ). Give yourself a pat on the back for trying to draw readers‚Äô attention away from the headline above, ‚ÄúBilly Graham statue to replace that of DEMOCRATIC white supremacist.‚ÄĚ As you well know (and attempt to deny), white supremacy has been the hallmark of the Democratic Party for almost two centuries now. It‚Äôs somewhat amusing to see how successful they have been in keeping you personally on the plantation. And you just keep helping them forge more links for your chains.
John, the Lord's supper is the type of the future supper of the Lamb when all the fruits of the redemptive work will be enjoyed in full. No, we do not eat the lamb at the Lord's supper. We do remember his attonning death.
I Corinthians 15, which gives the theological interpretation of it, does not talk about the Lord's supper in that light.
Covid has been a terrible burden on families. Marriages that had bumps are now met with this dilemma, the government has said, stay home for 4 months and come to the brink of bankruptcy. So, now they say only half can go to work with only 50 occupancy, which means you cut your staff by half or cut their hours. Or the government pays people 600$ to stay home, while as a business person , they can only afford to pay their employees for the time they put on the clock and it isn‚Äôt 600$ worth. Couple that with wearing a Covid magnet around your face all day ( the mask, everyone wears or doesn‚Äôt get to eat, buy groceries or do business) and once again Babylon is making the most idiotic decisions known to man- how can you ‚Äú trust the science ‚Äú when it changes hourly and the entire economy was put in the hands of a 80 year old virologist who recommended hiv carriers be quarantined from society, back in the 80‚Äôs. Or that the Wuhan virus would Not effect the USA in January 2020, then said wear a mask, but only if you are sick to , Now , wear your Covid infested mask everywhere. Yeah, if you‚Äôre having problems at home and at work, blame the stupid scientists.
Wayfarer pilgrim wrote: I do know that the opening of the Billy Graham museum, Billy Graham was asked what he thought of the museum and he said, ‚Äú there‚Äôs just too much ‚Äú Billy ‚Äú and no near as much as to who is Jesus ‚Äú. At the core, many people will look at Billy Graham and think his approach was to present a palpable Jesus. But, honestly, he was an evangelist for the 20 th century. And at the end of the war, America was relishing their new found faith in being an American. Billy Graham presented a simpler time and a very primitive understanding of salvation. His approach really was no different than what was offered in practically every country Southern Baptist church of the 1940‚Äôs. He broadened that message to everyone, and at the core was a principaled evangelical gospel message. But by including Catholics, Lutherans, and Episcopalians- that‚Äôs where your compromising a gospel for whatever is interpreted by the hearers. One thing I do know- a catholic priest did not want to have his little catholic followers listen to a Billy Graham on television- too many questions and after awhile- folks stop coming to mass. Billy Graham was disruptive , wherever he went.
Yes Tim, God's word is glorious to all who have ears to hear-"I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep... Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one."- John 10 "I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine".- John 17 "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.‚ÄĚ So then, it does not depend on man‚Äôs desire or effort, but on God‚Äôs mercy- Romans 9
I agree wholeheartedly, the word of God is indeed wonderful truth and food for the sheep.
Dr. Tim wrote: EVERY. ONE. THAT. BELIEVETH. Word of God. Ain‚Äôt it wonderful?
It is wonderful, brother!
You know who needed it to be simple, because he had so little time left on the earth? One of those thieves who were being crucified either side of Christ. At the instant he said, "Lord,..." he was saved, and forgiven for all his sins. Try fitting that into a theological straight jacket.
2 Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all¬†men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;
With Gentleness and with meekness are we to share the gospel as well as differing positions. Also, God promised only one new name per Isa. 62:2 and that would be the name of "Christian". Why would any other name be desired?
B. McCausland wrote: You are deviating from the topic by creating rabbit trails. Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing. Nevertheless, the witness of the Spirit is real by its fruit experienced when in obedience to the seal, but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious.
Sister, I sincerely do not know what you mean by creating a rabbit trail. I am trying to answer your questions in all honesty and to the point.
"Surely, the type and the reality it points to, do not compare, but the Lord's supper is still a type or emblem of the real thing."
Sister, the type and reality is a slain lamb/Lamb. The Hebrews ate the lamb, and we eat the Lamb by fulfilment. If you read paragraph 7 you will see it is not physical but spiritual.
"but to figure out mystical experiences, which in truth come linked to the 'means of grace' concept, it sounds spurious."
Who said anything about a mystical experience? Or even an experience at all?
. Graham spoke at Belmont Abbey College, a North Carolina Catholic school. On Nov. 21, 1967, he returned to Belmont Abbey to receive an honorary degree. At that time he made a shocking statement. He said, that he 'knew of no greater honor' than the receiving of this degree. Then the shocker comes when he said, 'The gospel that built this school and the gospel that brings me here tonight is still the way to salvation. Another significant thing happened in the early ‚Äė50s in Boston. Cardinal Cushing, in his magazine, The Pilot, put ‚ÄėBRAVO BILLY‚Äô on the front cover. That made news all over the country. He and I became close, wonderful friends. That was my first real coming to grips with the whole Protestant/Catholic situation. I began to realize that there were Christians everywhere. They might be called modernists, Catholics, or whatever, but they were Christians‚ÄĚ (Bookstore Journal, Nov. 1991) The 1972 Franciscan International Award for True Ecumenism' was present[ed] to Billy Graham April 21, 1972 at Minneapolis. Dr. Graham was selected to receive the coveted award by leading Catholic laymen and women in the Twin City area and delegates of the Franciscan Order for 'his sincerity and authenticity in presenting the Gospel of Christ" -the RCC loved Billy.