Dr. Tim wrote:
Jim, who cares what Bozo Livingstoned says? You'd quote the devil if you could find any of his stuff online. Why don't you go to the North Pole and save some of those poor drowning polar bears? After that, you can help them get abortions. You remind me of a tract I once read. It was called "The Tragedy of a Wasted Life."

"The Tragedy of a Wasted Life"

Now, try answering the question and stop the deflection and evasion.

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2 Cor 2

14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:

16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?

John UK

Let's cut to the chase.

Since you clearly believe in good news for literally everyone, answer me this - what is the good news for goats? From a previous post you believe that more people go to hell than do to heaven, and so clearly you believe there are more goats than sheep.

Given that you believe in the doctrines of grace (or so you say), please explain what the good news is to goats.

They will never desire salvation or any of its blessings and God will never grant it to them. So is that good news for them?

God uses the general call of the gospel to gather in the sheep. This much no one denies. But since you believe goats have a gospel they can rejoice in, I'm dying to know what it is. Please do enlighten us all, and please use scriptures only to justify you beliefs. This should be no problem seeing as you see yourself preeminently a SS man compared to everyone else here, right?

1 John 2:

15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Oh but..but ...but surely John 3.16 tells us God loves everybody?!

1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

Really? Since the world includes us, are we to read that as "every single person in the world, including us, lies in wickedness"?

Some people need to attend a "dummies 101 guide to understanding the bible" class.

John UK wrote:
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It all depends on how you were converted.

Now off to bed.

John UK wrote:
2a...You reduce them to simply a means of "getting your doctrine".

John UK wrote:
2b...The Bible is God's word to me, and I accept it, all of it.

John UK wrote:
3. ... But I fear that the Lord is not well pleased...Spurgeon.. "Preach the blood, the blood!"

Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines

2 John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Revelation 2:14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.

Revelation 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

1 Timothy 1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

1 Timothy 4:13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

Rodney K. wrote:
Bro. Observer,
Thanks for sharing the hymn. I hadn't heard it before, but what a great song of hope and gladness! I'd love it if you could post up the last verse.
(Also, do you know the tune?)

5. O I am my BelovedÂ’s
And my Beloved is mine!
He brings a poor vile sinner
Into His house of wine
I stand upon His merit -
I know no other stand,
Not eÂ’en where glory dwelleth
In EmmanuelÂ’s land.

The tune you can hear, without the lyrics at:

[URL=http://media.SermonAudio.com/sermons001/hymnal/rutherford.mp3]]]Music only[/URL]

And if you want to hear a rendition with the lyrics and music then try:

[URL=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BaOhZrdLVY]]]Music and Lyrics[/URL]

Rodney K. wrote:
Observer, Observer, Observer. It says VERY plainly in Second Delusions chapter 5, verse 48, subsection 1.1.8a that it is 12%. NOT 10% as you suppose.
What is it with you folks on SA? John UK says 10 seconds when its is OBVIOUSLY 12 seconds. Now Observer wants to change 12% to 10%. Can't anyone do any good, old fashioned, honest eisegesis anymore. My, my.

John UK wrote:
I understand bro. But now look at this:
John 9:35-39 KJV
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Now think on this Bro Observer. What sort of feet do you have?
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Oh and if you want a more difficult question to answer: ...

I'm not sure what you make of the John 9.39, but I suspect it is not saying what you want it to say.

What sort of feet do I have? Why, those that bring glad tidings - BUT in the manner that God has ordained, not my own made up theology.

As for your difficult question - here are some allied ones:

- Why does God command all men everywhere to repent when they cannot and he must grant it?

- Why does God still require perfect obedience to the moral law, when he knows that no sinful man can do it.

As to your question, since you yourself admit God grants faith - even if there was something there for the goats to believe, which you know there isn't - how does that help your case if God withholds the gift of faith?

Hmmm...

Bro Rodney

1. The sands of time are sinking,
The dawn of heaven breaks;
The summer morn IÂ’ve sighed for -
The fair, sweet morn awakes:
Dark, dark had been the midnight
But dayspring is at hand,
And glory, glory dwelleth
In EmmanuelÂ’s land.

2. The king there in His beauty,
Without a veil is seen:
It were a well-spent journey,
Though seven deaths lay between:
The Lamb with His fair army,
Doth on Mount Zion stand,
And glory, glory dwelleth
In EmmanuelÂ’s land

3. O Christ, He is the fountain,
The deep, sweet well of love!
The streams on earth IÂ’ve tasted
More deep IÂ’ll drink above:
There to an ocean fullness
His mercy doth expand,
And glory, glory dwelleth
In EmmanuelÂ’s land.

4. The bride eyes not her garment,
But her dear BridegroomÂ’s face;
I will not gaze at glory
But on my King of grace.
Not at the crown He giveth
But on His pierced hand;
The Lamb is all the glory
Of EmmanuelÂ’s land.

Rodney K. wrote:
Hey Bro. Christopher,
I didn't post that to be contentious. I agree with your earlier post, and wasn't trying to pick a fight w/Bro. Observer. I think he knows that.
I think Bro. Observer and I will both agree that Jesus WILL have preeminence. That His bride will worship Him with joyful, grateful hearts for all eternity. That none whom the Father has given to the Son will be lost. Glory! Hallelujah!

To contnue...

If you look at the 2 verses I used to indicate the infinite value of the blood of Christ, neither of them are used for evangelistic appeals to the unsaved. In fact you will not find that kind of approach in the NT.

The verses I cited are both applied specifically to the purchased and redeemed, not to anyone else. It was to show to the saved what great price was paid for them to inculcate that care of the Church and that gratitude which is becoming of the redeemed.

The atonement was specific and therefore for us to generalize it is to preach a different gospel.

John UK wrote:
....Now if you think about it, brother. When you preach the gospel, you are seeking to present The Christ and Him Crucified to your hearers. You might say, "In Christ crucified for sinners, there is an atonement for sin, which can take away YOUR sin and reconcile you to God."
Surely you do?

If you don't mind my saying so John, you create your own difficulties by insisting on applying the message specifically to individuals and specific groups.

When I preach the gospel I speak of Christ dying for sinners like you and me, of him taking away the sins of all those who will come to trust in him, and I do not seek to hide for a moment all the doctrines which shut sinners up to grace - viz. election, predestination, that only God can save, that God gives repentance and faith, destroying every one of the sinners refuges etc.

I speak in general terms of the love of Christ for sinners etc.

The moment you come to particularize the message in any other way, you make your own problems. It is not necessary to do that.

John UK wrote:
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Now what I would like you to do is to show that from scripture, where "that" is "the value of that sacrifice was of infinite value". Thank you.

Rodney K. wrote:
[URL=https://www.gracegems.org/23/Ryle_few_saved.htm]]]Few Saved - J. C. Ryle[/URL]
Bro. Christopher,
Here is an article that affirms your view that only few will be saved.

Sorry Rodney, I could easily make gigantic holes in his arguments by showing that he has not understood the OT correctly and that he takes too narrow a view of church history etc.

Christopher000 wrote:
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Always remember that there's a dummy on the forum...you all seem to forget that. You could even put your points to a catchy jingle. Otherwise, this
is me... 😨

Lol... only kidding.

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

God's own blood. Can anyone question it's infinite value?

1 Peter 1
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Precious blood of Christ. Yes, indeed.

Forgive the typo.

That should have read, " I have no right to any other car ...."

Brother Lurker

Let’s say that I am a multi billionaire and I have enough to buy every car on the world.

For some inexplicable reason I fall in love with your collection of cars and agree to pay you my entire fortune.

You may wonder why I would do that. Well that’s for me to worry about.

But in this scenario I did not buy every car in the world, I bought your collection even though I could have bought every car on the world.

It is your collection that is my possession not every car. I have no right to any other cat because I did not pay for them, even though I could have done so.

Lurker wrote:
Flesh and conscience..... apples and oranges.

"There is not merely harmony but also close connection between the various parts of Scripture. Each book illustrates the other, taking up its teaching and carrying it forward. Thus the unity of Scripture is not like that of a stately building, however ingenious its plan or vast its proportions; but rather, to use a Biblical illustration, like that of the light, which shineth more and more unto the perfect day. We mark throughout growth in its progress, as men were able to bear fuller communications, and prepared for their reception. The law, the types, the history, the prophecies, and the promises of the Old Testament all progressively unfold and develop the same truth, until it appears at last in its New Testament fulness."

Ah ... NT fulness! A saved Jew (Edersheim) saw this.