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Survey12/9/06 3:39 PM
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JD "the Father was drawing the Jews to Jesus as the Messiah of Israel”

So according to the Scriptures was the Father drawing all, every single one of the Jews to Jesus as the Messiah of Israel or was He drawing the elect Jews of Israel and blinding the rest?


Survey12/9/06 3:26 PM
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JD you asked,

1) "What was Israel seeking for
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2)What is the reason they did not obtain it according to the context?
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3) How did the elect obtain it. according to the context?"

Israel was seeking justification or acceptance with God see Romans 9:31 but they could’nt obtain it, the elect of Israel found it and the rest were judicially blinded and hardened.


Survey12/9/06 3:13 PM
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Where have I equated John 12:39-40 to others besides Israel?


Survey12/9/06 2:50 PM
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Rom 11:7-8
(7) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
(8) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Survey12/9/06 2:49 PM
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JD

God always has a remnant.
Scripture interprets Scripture, as we can see in John 12 39-40 why they (Israel a nation made up of people, Jews) could not believe, because God blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts nor could they understand with their heart.

In Romans 11:7-8 We see that there was a remnant among the Jews that were elected by God and the rest of Israel(nation of people, Jews) were blinded by God.

These portions of Scripture agree together in that the majority of Israel as a nation of people (Jews) were blinded by God and did not obtain that which they seeked for but that only a remnant of the Jews obtained mercy, grace, life, and righteousness in Christ.

Joh 12:39-40
(39) Therefore they could not believe, because that Isaiah said again,
(40) He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


Survey12/9/06 2:03 PM
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JD "How do you reconcile the "nevertheless" of the chapter to the previous statements?"

"42 Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:"

This is how I reconcile it.

Rom 11:7-8
(7) What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
(8) (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear; unto this day.


Survey12/9/06 1:40 PM
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JD “The argument could be strengthened even more, but that should suffice for now! Jesus draws all men unto himself!”
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“All the time of Jesus earthly ministry to the Jews, the Father was drawing the Jews to Jesus as the Messiah of Israel”

If Jesus draws all men (every man without exception) unto himself and the Father was drawing the Jews to Jesus as the Messiah of Israel why does it say in John 12:39 that they could not believe because God had blinded their eyes and hardened their heart?

Joh 12:37-41
(37) But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet ***they believed not on him:***
(38) That the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
(39) Therefore ***they could not believe,*** because that Isaiah said again,
(40) ***He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.***
(41) These things said Isaiah, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.


Survey12/9/06 1:09 PM
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JD

Nothing you stated changes the fact that the words “Draw and Drew” in the greek are “Helkuo” which means to drag. The Scriptures interpret the words draw and drew this way as shown in the verses I posted below.


Survey12/9/06 12:17 PM
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Act 21:30
And all the city was moved, and the people ran together: and they took Paul, and ***drew*** him out of the temple: and forthwith the doors were shut.

Jam 2:6
But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and ***draw*** you before the judgment seats?


Survey12/9/06 12:16 PM
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"Use of "Helkuo" in the New Testament"

The words “Draw and Drew” in the verses below are the greek word “Helkuo” and is found 8 times in the New Testament.

"Helkuo" means, literally, "to drag."

Joh 6:44
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me
***draw*** him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will ***draw*** all men unto me.

Joh 18:10
Then Simon Peter having a sword ***drew*** it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

Joh 21:6
And he said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to ***draw*** it for the multitude of fishes.

Joh 21:11
Simon Peter went up, and ***drew*** the net to land full of great fishes, a hundred and fifty and three: and for all there were so many, yet was not the net broken.

Act 16:19
And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and ***drew*** them into the marketplace unto the rulers,

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Survey12/8/06 6:38 PM
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Mike “Were not His own once wicked sinners?”

Yes, His own were once wicked sinners but God loved His own while they were yet sinners. Paul is speaking to the church in Rome, the beloved of God.

Rom 5:8
(8) But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Survey12/8/06 6:05 PM
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thats what the The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon says! Strong's number 1670

Survey12/8/06 5:57 PM
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Yamil "By this I mean that God does not literally drag people"

“The metaphorical use of "to draw" is consistently used in Scripture and in language in general to attact, allure, or woo.”

Draw in the greek means to drag or to draw by inward power, lead, impel (to drive)


Survey12/8/06 4:18 PM
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Yamil “As one read the OT passage there are times when it says that Pharoah hardened his own heart and you can see instances when God was trying to reach him.”

Where do we see instances of God trying to reach Pharaoh?

Exo 4:21
(21) And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand: but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.


Survey12/8/06 11:37 AM
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Michael "But I believe that when God grants repentance it is still we must do. I do not believe God will repent of ours sins, transgressions, iniquities for us."

Did you think that when we said that repentance is from God that we don't repent?

If God grants repentance we will repent of our sins, transgressions and iniquities.


Survey12/8/06 11:21 AM
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Michael"… except God Himself intervenes and grants you repentance."

Do you believe that repentance is from God?


Survey12/7/06 8:56 PM
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Mike from New York “They didn't love him. Is there a problem with God (who is love) meeting his own requirements for justice? Is there a conflict for God to be both all-loving and just?”

God is love and He is just but God also states that He hates. Are you saying that God does not hate?

Psa 11:5
(5) The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


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Yamil "Trying reading the context. It has nothing to do with salvation from hell (soteriological salvation) it has to do with the future judgement to come (eschatological salvation)."

You think the verses below are speaking of the future judgement to come??

2Th 2:13-17
(13) But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
(14) Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(15) Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
(16) Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
(17) Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work.


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You said “He also never say that an nonspiritual man cannot understand the gospel because that is the message that a man must understand to receive the Spirit.”

You need the Spirit of God to understand the gospel as the natural man cannot.

1Co 2:14
(14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


Survey12/7/06 4:12 PM
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Seed Sower “…Yet he says in verse 12 that at any time they be converted... who is they obviously any who does not have the Spirit.”

Mark 4:12 is not saying that at any time they may be converted, those who do not have the Spirit. It is a judgement from God a judicial blindness which Isaiah prophesied of in Isaiah 6:9,10.

Isa 6:9-10
(9) And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
(10) Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

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