I answered why some choose to believe and others donât. What some people want to know is why specific people believe and others donât. The Bible doesnât give a case for each individual person.
âNow when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich. And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!â ââLukeâŹ â18:22-24âŹ
In this case the man didnât want to give up any riches that he had. Itâs different for different people.
Also, I said âare yeâ was current tense which means that the Gentileâs salvation is what should be considered the gift of God because the act of grace shown them and their own faith are past tense, while the gift was yet to be received. They had not yet entered into eternal life.
The reason all donât believe is because not all are willing to hear the truth so as to believe, not all are willing to confess their sins before God, not all want to follow Him because they love darkness rather than light. The reason people believe is because once confronted with the truth, they donât choose to ignore it or disregard it, they hear of how God so loved the world and sent His Son to die for the forgiveness of their sins that they reciprocate that love in repentance and faith. Maybe it is that they are more honest about the truth and grateful for what Jesus has done for them. That is less a reflection on how good they are because they are still sinners in need of the Savior, but it is a reflection of how wicked those are who will not obey the call of the gospel!
The way God changes minds is through the gospel message.
âHow then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?â ââRomansâŹ â10:14âŹ
It certainly isnât through Calvinist dogma that people believe! It isnât even scriptural. They think if they repeat the same words that are found in the Bible, they can pour into them any sort of meaning they want.
âBut if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.â ââ2 CorinthiansâŹ â4:3-4âŹ
The gospel is only hid to those who have previously not believed.
âFor nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.â ââLukeâŹ â8:17-18âŹ
The gospel is made known to all so they are without excuse and from there it may be taken away if they will not believe. Nobody will be fashioned into a believer who doesnât want to be.
I keep hearing that salvation isnât even in the verse, then what does the word âsavedâ mean? The Gentile believers received salvation by grace, through faith! That salvation they received was not because of anything they did to earn it, it is the gift of God.
Grace was what they were shown and faith is what they had in order to be saved, those things were in the past for them. However, the gift of God is what was happening right now. Whatever you think âitâ is must be something that was still considered the gift of God. Grace was already shown and faith was already something they had in order to be saved. The only thing current tense would be their salvation, which was still their gift from God.
âFor the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.â ââRomansâŹ â6:23âŹ
â In a fallen world where obviously only a Remnant have faith - Why is it so hard to see that said faith is clearly a gift from God to HIS Elect?â
The reason it is hard to see is because it isnât Biblical. Like I pointed out, even if it were saying that faith is a gift, it wouldnât mean people had to believe. It doesnât demonstrate that Irresistible Grace is taught in scripture!
The elect according to salvation are always those who believed. Those who donât believe, but will later, are not part of the elect yet. They will be selected for eternal life when they believe and not before that.
Not that any of you are right, because you are not, but even if it said faith was a gift, a gift can be received or rejected. It doesnât prove God overforces people to believe against their will. Sorry!
Whenever someone from the Calvinist camp says something so blatantly false, Iâm surprised that nobody speaks up! Nobody thinks they can save themselves? Do you know anything about the Pharisees?!
At any rate, the past tense act of Gentiles being saved is the topic of the sentence. Paul is getting the Gentiles to look back at the moment they were saved by Godâs grace and saved through faith as an example of how they are now partakers of the gospel and of the salvation it brings.
âThat the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel:â ââEphesiansâŹ â3:6âŹ
âIn whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise,â ââEphesiansâŹ â1:13âŹ
Are you saying my reasoning is blasphemous because I donât believe the Bible teaches that Jesus suffered the punishment for each and every particular sin? It doesnât teach anywhere that Jesus did. Nowhere is the concept taught that Jesus suffered eternal damnation for the sins of anyone. For one, He would still be in Hell and secondly, Jesus wouldnât have arose from the grave three days later. What the Bible does teach is Jesus suffered death for us. Not that we donât also suffer it, but He did it as someone who didnât deserve to die because He was sinless. So Jesus took on the responsibility to do away with our sins by dying on the cross. However, that doesnât mean He suffered a penalty over here for this person and then a separate sentence for someone over there. In fact, the Bible never teaches that Jesus suffered in Hell. It is all unfounded speculation!
I know you will never admit to it, but I need to let you know.
âFor by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.â ââEphesiansâŹ â2:8-9âŹ
The verse in question shows that salvation is by grace and that salvation is through faith. With both faith and grace tied to salvation, wouldnât you think that salvation is the topic of the sentence? So when it says, âit is the gift of Godâ, one should look to the topic to see what it is. Furthermore, there is biblical examples elsewhere to back up the idea that salvation is what God gives believers and that salvation cannot be earned. You have the verse basically saying to believers that He gave them faith after they already believed. Think about who God is talking to here. Also look to the fact that faith is never spoken of as a work that people shouldnât boast about. In fact, it is impossible to boast about faith. There is no boasting in believing that you cannot save yourself and need Jesus to save you!
In John 3:16, whosoever means anyone who wants to believe can. It up to each person.
If Jesus paid the penalty for sins, then He was culpable. He took the blame for them and was punished, supposedly. The Bible doesnât teach that story. If Jesus took on punishment for sins He did not commit He would still be in the grave and suffering for those sins. Having someone pay for your crimes doesnât make you innocent of committing those crimes. It would literally accomplish nothing for Jesus to pay off your sins. You would still die and be separated from Godâs presence. Maybe without the punishment, but still with all of the guilt.
Eph 2:8 Is talking about salvation. That is the point of the sentence! Itâs by grace you are saved and salvation is through faith. Thatâs what it is. However, for the sake of argument letâs say faith is a gift. It doesnât say it is given to people who were arbitrarily picked to be saved before they were born. So my point still stands. Also, if your doctrine about something comes from only one verse, be careful because it is probably not true. God speaks plainly about what He has revealed, so that we may know and not guess.
Jesus said all that the Father gives me will come to me. It is future tense. Meaning, in the future all believers will come to him. Meaning they will go where He is. He says, I have come down from Heaven and will return. That means we will meet Him in Heaven one day. For some reason Calvinist equate âcomeâ which means to move toward, with the word believe. Not sure why in the context.
Funny thing about John 12:19, the phrase is hyperbole and yet it still means the whole world as it says.
Propitiation: The act of reconciliation through atonement. Jesus reconciled the world through His atoning sacrifice on the cross.
Jesus paid for the sins of the whole world, but He was not culpable for the sins of RC, JW, etc.
God provides the means of faith through the preaching of His word so that all who hear it may believe.
The reason you have to state that faith is the gift of God to the elect is because the Bible doesnât teach that anywhere. You shouldnât add to scripture! The elect are generally the nation of Israel or those who believe. So that if there is a person who does not believe, they are not elect, but if they should believe, they will become part of that group selected by God for eternal life.
When God wants to differentiate between Jews and Gentiles, He says so plainly. This is just a sad attempt to disregard what God said! God, in His sovereignty, had it translated the way we would best understand it, so not only does it mean the whole world, it says the whole world. Jesus is the propitiation for our sins. By that time, Jews and Gentiles both became believers, so âoursâ would mean both. Not for Jew and Gentile only, but also for the sins of the whole world. After all, isnât that why God sent His Son? That whosoever believes in Him will have eternal life. Not to mention we are all one in Christ, there is neither Jew or Gentile.
âAnd, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.â ââLukeâŹ â10:25-28âŹ
When Jesus was asked, He said you must love the Lord your God. People will receive eternal life because they believed in Jesus and God showed them mercy.
Jesus died for His sheep, but that doesnât erase the fact that He is the atoning sacrifice for the whole world.
âAnd he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.â ââ1 JohnâŹ â2:2âŹ
If Jesus was culpable for the sins of the whole world, we would know it because He would have remained in the grave and we would all remain condemned. Thereâs no mystery to that fact! Furthermore, having someone else suffer the consequences of your sins doesnât make you innocent of committing those sins.
Jesus did bare the sins of many in His flesh, which doesnât exclude any who will believe, but not all people will believe. Therefore, His death only bares the sins of those who believe and not those who donât.