Why worry about it? I canâ€™t idly stand by as others espouse false doctrine which others might hear and fall for. Life isnâ€™t a fatalistic puppet show. We can and must believe on the Lord Jesus in order to be saved. Obey and be saved or donâ€™t believe and be judged for your sins, itâ€™s up to you!
â€śAnd he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.â€ť â€â€Lukeâ€¬ â€18:9-14â€¬
Trusting in your own righteousness for salvation isnâ€™t going to work. Even if you give thanks to God for not making you like all of the other sinners. One must be like the publican who humbly confessed he was a sinner and asked for mercy. It is the difference between looking to ourselves as fit for salvation or looking to Jesus who is our Savior. Itâ€™s not about us, it is all about Him.
Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. Jesus, in and of Himself takes away the sins of everyone who believes and He is able to take away the sins of the whole world. He wasnâ€™t and is not culpable for anyoneâ€™s sin! If He was, Jesus would have remained as dead as anyone else who died. Some here seem to be trusting in their individual worthiness before God to save them (thanks to Jesus paying off their sin debts), when really they should be looking to the worthiness of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who indwells them with His own righteousness. Having someone pay the fee for your speeding ticket, doesnâ€™t make you innocent of speeding. You still committed the crime and your insurance may even go up although the penalty for the infraction was paid. Get enough of them over a certain amount of time and your license could be suspended because they arenâ€™t forgotten about, even if someone else paid them off. You are still guilty! The point is, a believer isnâ€™t saved because of their innocence before God, but rather because of the righteousness of Christ who is in them!
â€śAnd he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.â€ť â€â€1 Johnâ€¬ â€2:2â€¬
Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world. That means Jesus atoned for the sins of you, me, and all who are afar off. It is an all inclusive statement!
Now why would God send His Son to become the propitiation for our sins?
â€śHerein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.â€ť â€â€1 Johnâ€¬ â€4:10â€¬
Seems like it is because He loved the whole world!
â€śFor God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.â€ť â€â€Johnâ€¬ â€3:16-17â€¬
Why...God does love the whole world! Thatâ€™s why He sent His Son! God doesnâ€™t want the world to be condemned as they are, but to have their sins propitiated by Jesus through our faith.
â€śWhom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;â€ť â€â€Romansâ€¬ â€3:25â€¬
The philosophy that some hold too is just plain fatalistic and isnâ€™t how God does things. We know God will judge each according to their own sins and nobody elseâ€™s. If some are born unable to believe, then they canâ€™t be blamed for their inability understand.
â€śWoe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!â€ť â€â€Matthewâ€¬ â€18:7â€¬
God takes no pleasure in the wickedness of others, the offenses against Him distress Him!
â€śAnd a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.â€ť â€â€1 Peterâ€¬ â€2:8â€¬
Who are they? The disobedient. What are they appointed for? To stumble at the word.
However, that doesnâ€™t mean one cannot be obedient as to not stumble.
â€śBut now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:â€ť â€â€Romansâ€¬ â€16:26â€¬
Scripture is preached to bring about a desire in people to become obedient to the faith.
â€śLet no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.â€ť â€â€Jamesâ€¬ â€1:13-15â€¬
Judas sinned because of his own lust, itâ€™s not Godâ€™s fault and God would have rather Judas had turned from his sin and lived.
â€śHave I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?â€ť â€â€Ezekielâ€¬ â€18:23â€¬
â€śFor thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.â€ť â€â€Psalmsâ€¬ â€5:4â€¬
It amazes me how everytime Franklin makes a biblical statement about something, Christians come out of the woodwork to disparage the guy. There arenâ€™t a whole lot of people in the media taking a stand for modesty. Iâ€™m glad he said something!
Without His righteousness and only His, I will not enter eternal life! Not to mention the whole fact that if someone pays your speeding ticket, it doesnâ€™t mean you arenâ€™t still guilty of speeding! Thatâ€™s why when people pay there ticket, there insurance still goes up. You have Jesus paying the penalty for your sin while you yourself are still guilty of sinning. Kind of pointless!
What you are feeling is pretty typical of those who live in a Calvinistic bubble. If anyone quotes the Bible to them and it doesnâ€™t line up with what they were taught by men, then that person bringing the gospel truth must be a demon! You are playing into the Calvinist stereotype, but thatâ€™s your free choice to do so! Funny how the Biblical and traditional viewpoint is now considered demonic by Calvinist! Especially when one considers Calvinism is rooted in the teachings of the Catholic Saint Augustine and really only took hold of the church about 500 years ago. I guess everyone was demonic 1500 years before Calvinism came along!
The cross proves Jesus was sinless and didnâ€™t take on the culpability of anyone elseâ€™s sin or else He would not have been raised. He would still be under judgement. He was called the spotless lamb for a reason! It seems to me to be a system of works to say that you are saved because of what God did in paying the punishment for your sins. What about all of the other time you did not sin? It becomes God plus youâ€™re works will carry you to eternal life. Itâ€™s a system of getting to eternal life by how you lived your life with Jesus filling in the gaps. I depend on being in Christ who alone is righteous. Without His righteousness an
God isnâ€™t proven anything. He is omniscient. I was speaking about us. The death of Christ proves who He is because it was foretold in prophecy. His resurrection is proof to us that He was righteous and met all of the requirements of the law. Jesus was not guilty of His sin or anyone elseâ€™s or He would have remained dead.
Iâ€™ve never said that I donâ€™t believe God forgives sins! You, on the other hand, must believe that there are no sins to forgive if they were somehow punished at the cross!
The cross is how Jesus proved His innocence before God because if He was guilty of sin, He would have remained in the grave. However, Jesus didnâ€™t remain in the grave. That is because He alone is righteous. Only sinners will be eternally punished by God. Jesus was not, is not, and never will be a sinner deserving punishment.
John UK... Where do I get that from? You have said that Jesus had to pay whatever penalty was due to a person for their sins to be forgiven. Therefore, a person would have all of their sins forgiven and there would be no need for forgiveness or imputed righteousness because that person would already be in righteous standing having no sin held against them.
The punishment Jesus suffered was physical death on the cross. â€śCursed is everyone who hangs on treeâ€ť. Not in my place because I deserved death while Jesus did not. Nowhere does it ever teach in the Bible that Jesus suffered the everlasting punishment for anyoneâ€™s sin or that anyone is righteous due to their meritorious standing with God, having Jesus somehow perfected the requirements of the law within them.
In your convoluted logic, what would be the point of having Christ righteousness imputed to someone if they are already righteous because He paid the penalty for their sin?