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2/24/09 5:18 PM |
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DJC49 wrote: [a] But you WERE able to check in Sat. evening & Sun. under the alias *Greek Man*! [b] No imagination; rather insightful observation. You, *CU*, posted as *Greek Man* over the weekend and I can PROVE it! Prove it based on empirical evidence, not conjecture. If you had to go to court over this, *CU*, you'd LOSE this case by a preponderance of the EVIDENCE. Anyone want proof? Just e-mail me. And THEN you'll see who really has the "imagination" here! (That's putting it kindly.) [c] Your "rules of logic" are all silly and absurd. Conscience bother you much, "Greek Man*? Deny it. Ha! You are hilarious!I know something of the law, and I can guarantee that you would lose! Unless you have video evidence that it was me, then the best evidence you can produce would be on the balance of probabilities. And I can guess the evidence that you have...and guess what DJC666- you do not know all the facts! If anyone having listened to his prating wants the facts, let me know. I will provide an email address so that you can get facts and not the fabrications of a bitter, twisted, power crazy hyper Frenchie. |
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2/24/09 3:46 PM |
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John UK wrote: Well Joe, I really thought 'the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit'. Perhaps that doesn't apply to women, eh? Now let me ask you another question, and bear in mind that I have been in Reformed circles for thirty odd years. What is the Reformed Position on the difference between regeneration and the baptism with the Holy Ghost? If you can answer this question satisfactorily, we might make some progress. Yes? More- whatever happened to the Reformation rediscovery- "Salvation by grace through faith". This is salvation - not the **assurance of salvation** as Roger put it.Acts 10.43 "..To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name **whosoever believeth** in him shall receive remission of sins..." What these men want is salvation without belief because if belief was critical then in their minds it involves works Passages like this also contradict another part of their pseudo calvinism. It is not the act of believing that is new. It is what is believed - "..**whosoever believeth in him** shall receive the remission of sins.." But hey - that is why they cannot accept plain biblical passages. |
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2/24/09 11:55 AM |
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DJC49 wrote: Who in the world ever gave THIS sort of command??? Who in the world ever told anyone NOT to pray until they bear evidence of regeneration??? ...Sometimes, John UK, you pull stuff out of your hat that is utterly ... stupefying! For example:Joe T's response 2/24/09 9.55AM when he writes: "Did God hearken to the prayers of an unregenrate man dead in trespasses and sins and have respect unto his alms outside of Christ?" So typical calv reasoning would go, "Why should we encourage children to pray when they are unregenerate?" etc. John, Mike NY, Michael H These calvs have their scheme of salvation worked out to the tiniest detail from their systematic theologies and they are not about to let the Scriptures disturb it. |
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2/20/09 6:05 PM |
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Very Strange wrote: Mister Understanding There you are you see! You rejected all the Calvinist teaching. Now why don't you lie down tonight and see if you can cure yourself of this fixation you have with being a Calvinist. Repeat to yourself the words "The truth is I am an Arminian" Then your free will can take over and return you to what you really are. You have just made a complete fool of yourself. I don't think you know the first thing about the doctrines of grace!You can go to the Institutes now and try and find some ammunition. I shall go back to my Bible Tired of Calvin John UK How are you bro? How's the painting coming along? Are you managing to make a living from it yet? I will give some thought to the rich young ruler and will post up my thoughts, for what they are worth, sometime. Mike Thanks for your answer. I had posted some more which I don't think you have read. I will post up the last part when I have more time. Well, I'm off for the weekend. The Lord's richest blessings on all who truly love him. Have a blessed Lord's Day and catch up with you all next week (DV). |
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2/20/09 8:03 AM |
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Mike wrote: CU, we have no disagreement there. Man cannot save hinself. The Holy Spirit enables, man responds. Where I have a problem is when it is said this enablement makes salvation inevitable. If the will has been freed to respond positively, is it no longer free to respond negatively?.. Mike Theoretically, Yes. But the will is not renewed in isolation from the other faculties. The mind is enlightened by God's Spirit through His Word to see God's holiness, love, perfections etc. One can now see one's own sinfulness, hard heartedness etc., The emotions are set free to feel the arrows of conviction and to really appreciate spiritual truths - their weight, proportion, beauty etc IOW the man is put into a RIGHT MIND and given a disposition to believe and love the things of God. This is the position that the prodigal came to when we read "he came to himself". He came to a right mind. Who in their right mind, having once tasted the bitterness of sin and its slavery, would choose to reject the path to joy and freedom? Even if it means personal humiliation! Surely, such a work of grace must be effectual? This effectual call is, I believe, distingusihed from a general call in the bible. OOS ..TBC |
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2/19/09 5:37 PM |
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Mike wrote: They have problems with the idea that God could possibly have made man with an actual free will. George suggests that the rich man was a freewiller because he chose to walk away. Freely chose to do so. Kind of odd when you think about it. For if he had not walked away, it would be said that it was because he was enabled to freely choose to sell his stuff and follow Christ. Freely choosing, either way. MikeYou acknowledge that without the work of the Holy Spirit man "will not" come to God when the gospel is presented. So in what sense does he have a "free will" prior to the Spirit's work? If you mean by this that his will is not determined by any factor outside of himself then we have no disagreement. 5 pointers refer to this as "free agency" rather than "free will". Different terms, same concept. But, if you mean that he can, despite his sinful nature, and without any help from the Holy Spirit respond positively to the Gospel summons (his will is free to move for as well as against the gospel), then we do have a disagreement. Correct me if I am wrong, but somehow I do not think you mean the latter. |
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2/19/09 4:29 PM |
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Mike wrote: Can a man who has no moral ability be considered a moral being? MikeThe description "moral inability" is perhaps not the most appropriate and it is therefore easy to misunderstand. But the underlying idea I believe is sound. All that is meant is that man "will not" come, without the Holy Spirit changing the disposition of the will so that he is enabled to come willingly. Man acts in accordance with his depraved nature and his darkened mind. He cannot help doing so. So when he is presented with the gospel he "will not" come to God. He will resist it. The Holy Spirit must therefore do something for man to enable him to come willingly. I don't think that there would be much controversy up to this point between us. The controversy only arises when we consider the application of grace to sinners - whether this grace is granted to all or not, and the nature of the grace granted - viz. Prevenient grace as opposed to efficacious (or victorious) grace. |
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2/19/09 10:40 AM |
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rogerant wrote: These discussions about saving faith, whether man has the ability to have faith, whether it is a gift from God, or he has the faculty within himself to have faith does not consider what the object of that faith is. Man does have the ability to trust in things such as science, people, history and god. But man does not have the moral ability to place trust in the objective person and work of Christ. Man does have the capacity to trust in a god, and his own acts of piety and repentence, but that is not saving faith. The moral ability (and or will) of man to place trust in the person of Christ as his substitute, and upon the finished work on the cross, and trust in His promise to raise us from the grave is a gift from God.... Good distinctions made and well said Roger. |
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