John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

Because like Yamil you are trying to gain salvation by human effort.

If only you guys had the ability to perceive good sound doctrine, as declared in the Reformed Confessions, then perhaps you might stop down-grading God and see the truth about your sinful estate.

And don't forget John, that by association you accept the following Roman Catholic confessions/creeds...

Bearing this in mind we, correspondingly, see the denominations polluted by Liberalism which is exemplified as an ignorance of truth in the church, and abandonment of the authority of Scripture, hence of God.

Thus do we see the signs of the times. At least those who can perceive what these components reveal.

The Papal antichrist has become more acceptable during the last 70-80 years in the west. Therefore he grows stronger in his authority and insidious purpose to attack and defeat the true Church. He makes manifest his true identity by his activities and seeks to undermine the teaching of Bible and the work of the Holy Spirit. Thus does he herald yet another age of darkness.

Psalm 94:23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the LORD our God shall cut them off.

Psalm 37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

That's alright Yamil, I don't expect the NON-believers like yourself to comprehend the Truth in accordance with Scripture.

However

10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
= The None/not one which is addressed here JD is the children of Adam and Eve. Like YOU are a child of A.& E.

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. = The none that understandeth here again is the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve - their progeny.

Now the reason why their progeny, (or human race) IS FALLEN is because of the sin of Adam/Eve. Have you noticed this in Genesis ch.3?

The result of the FALL is....

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Hence

Adam/Eve began the process.
Their sin changed the human race who subsequently became "their" children - born into sin. Psalm 51 etc.

This is a joke right DB?
Even you must be aware that GOD's Reformation brought about the Catholic - Protestant divide.
Thus GOD brought the TRUE Church - viz Reformed Church out of - away from - the Papal antichrist.

THIS is historic fact.
I can't believe that you DB, would come up with this little gem!!!

NEXT
your
"The RCC was never true to begin with. It was a perversion of the early church brought about by Constantine."

Baloney!!

The True church has been around by the grace of God since creation. IT IS God's witness. The Roman Catholic ediface which presents itself today and in history is a church which grew with both Truth and Doctrine working together iaw 1Cor 11:19.

The "Roman" Church in early centuries wasn't even the "Roman church" - that split came in the 11th century and went east and west.

God carried His truth even through that struggle in history.

The "salvation by works"
Which you and your church teaches is a Roman Catholic dogma.
They call it Molinism.
In your church it is usually called Arminianism, Synergism or Semi-Pelagianism.

Regardless of terminology
Your doctrines are human effort unto salvation - otherwise God cannot save.

This is neither true nor Biblical.

Thus if anyone is teaching Roman popery dogma and superstition it is YOU and your church.

It is your convictions which demote God from sovereign status and raise man above sin and above the effect of sin.
Again this is neither true nor Biblical.

It is your convictions which imply that Grace and the Holy Spirit are not necessary to bring man to salvation, and that the sinner can do it himself - cooperating with God only after the sinner has made the first move. Even, in the first instance, if he is spiritually dead and the very enemy of God?????

"The doctrine of original sin that resulted from the Fall is a very humbling doctrine according to the Reformers. They believed that Adam's rebellion and corruption, imputed to and inherited by all mankind, left him in such a state that he was the enemy of God and served only his own sinful nature. "As it is written: 'There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one.' " (Romans 3.10-12) While Arminius felt that man was only sick and weakened by sin, the Reformed faith teaches that man is dead in sin, that is has no desire to turn to God, that his master is Satan - "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others." (Eph 2.1-3)"

Rom 10:8 word is nigh thee
v9 - [1] if thou shalt confess
.. - [2] and shalt believe in thine heart
.. - [3] you are saved

The point made, inherent within all Bible teaching is "who can" confess amd believe.

Easy Believism stems from those who teach, that all you have to do is verbalise these words and hey presto you are a Christian.

This is not true Michael.

Spurgeon didn't have a "bad day" as you put it. He was a real Christian all his life, - thats why he preached the Calvinist Doctrines, - As he said the Calvinist Doctrines ARE the Gospel.
And remember what he was famous for building, - A church with a congregation of thousands flocking to hear the Truth preached.
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Yamil
your
"Here's another quote from a more infamous Baptist preacher"

Actually for your edification it was Christ Jesus who said that.

1] As a Calvinist I wouldn't dare call Jesus "infamous." - Perhaps you should check your dictionary on the application of this word.

2] As a Calvinist I wouldn't dare to call Jesus a "Baptist preacher." - Since this term brings Christ down and raises men higher than their sinful estate.

One of the greatest grace filled "Reformed" teachers in history is Augustine, who lived in the 5th century; - please note, if you can, that this is slightly before the 16th century Reformation ordained and worked by God Himself.

God carried the True Doctrines of Grace all the way through human history. That is why the Real Church, Reformed of course, is here today preaching the truth, serving God and the Holy Spirit Guiding them into all truth, uses the Reformed Church as God's instrument, of the Elect Remnant, as the witness unto salvation.

"C.H. Spurgeon writes,

'...that there is no such a thing as preaching Christ and him crucified unless you preach what is now-a-days called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I state boldly. It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else' (New Park Street Pulpit, Vol. 1, 1856)."

Is it now time to cut your losses and surrender to the reality, which is that the Iraq nation doesn't want western democracy in any form?

"same argument" - Thats right JD.
The "argument" as you put it has not changed since God recorded it in Scripture. Thats why the Divines are simply a link in History of the True - Reformed - Church. This continuity is by the grace of God and the Holy Spirit.

The Reformed theological position *IS* the Truth. The Elect can perceive this by the Holy Spirits guidance. John 16:13 refers.

Stick around and learn JD!

As for the capacity of the NATURAL MAN remember that God also recorded....

1Cor 2:14 But the NATURAL MAN receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED.

Perhaps not. But you do have an entire theological system to explain how the sinner can overcome sin and cooperate with God to make salvation possible, - otherwise God can't do it.

For example JD said
"(It is much better to believe what is said about the bible than to believe what the bible says)"

Translation
JD can read the Bible and nobody else can today or historically!

1John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

Original Sin is translated into all mortals by ordinary generation, from Adam.

"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned," (Rom. 5:12).