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Full title: "A Case for Historic Premillenialism: An Alternative to 'Left Behind' Eschatology"

I have not read the book, just found the link to share the contrast. I tend to be more amill in perspective however.

human trafficking, and drug and arms. the corruption is incredible.

John for JESUS wrote:
I don't accuse people of stuff usually and was only trying to get to the core of his view that Jewish believers are not being saved yet.

Its the age old problem of sin. If you raise a people up above their sin, you are creating an idol, evidenced by a loss of love for the brethren.

Peter says this in his plea to the Jews of that time, his peers, "Jesus whom you crucified..." -- this is very clear.

So the Jews of that time were guilty because of their false religion.

we also know that Jesus died for us while we were still his enemies. Which means to me that all sons of Adam are inherently enemies of God because of sin, and therefore we are also guilty of his death, being his enemies, and his death being our reconciliation.

and anyone who plainly reads that and understands that some Jews followed a false religion that crucified Christ and some followed the true religion of Christ their Messiah, that this is something diabolical? or is the truth just inconvenient and so you will attribute hate to those you do not even know?

"Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole."

Acts 4:10

exactly.

God is not manifested by a garbage dump.

Man's sin is manifested that we may be witness to our own evil.

And death has to come to all man because we've fallen short of the glory of God.

The evidence of the fall is all around us.

But when one broken vessel is pulled out of the miry clay, even one who has been assaulted by the world, then he or she gives glory to God and God is manifested.

We are born in sin, yet Christ saves and redeems everyday, God is even glorified through the pagan when he lives out the law, as can happen partially, for instance in a peaceful marriage where children are loved. God is glorified by what He has made. This is a reflection of God's design.

SteveR wrote:
Their god just hit a UN school and killed at least 15 children with 200 wounded

there's a great big world out there and more to "choose" from than the one or two choices that corporations widdle things down to...

ie if I have cancer, and if I saw someone use baking soda treatments and voila, its gone (breast cancer), but then you come to me and say you must have insurance and now you can have chemo or you can just say no to chemo, and I'm thinking, in God's great world, my only options is chemical warfare agents from WWI or nothing? come on now.

Strat wrote:
So much ignorance its hard to know where to begin,if you were not such a judgmental hypocrite you would know that rock stars are people to and just as worthy of consideration as the likes of you....you will receive your just reward for your hatred of God's people.
I love it when one of you who is always accusing others of things slips up and shows who you realy are,full of just as much hatred and contempt as anyone you could ever accuse of those things.