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10/7/08 8:54 PM |
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Armenians and Calvenists - must both be Balkan people, at each other's throats for centuries.Coming back to God's Sovereignty - "ALL things work together for good to those who love God!" Why? Because of His eternal election and predestination. Take away the second and you render the first meaningless. Even if God is only able to "foresee" as the 'Armenians' say, then He would have foreseen evil and prevented its existence. He would have foreseen Satan's defection and refrained from creating him. He would have foreseen the great evil men of history and had them die in the womb. But God raised them up for His own purposes, so that He might show His glory in them. Pharaoh was created for that reason only, read Romans 9. God did not just foresee, He ordains whatsoever comes to pass. He has made all things for His own purposes and for their own end, even the wicked for the day of judgement. The Bible does not say we are not responsible, it says we are not capable. We have the freedom to choose God, just not the desire or the ability for the natural man does not and will not and can not love and obey God. So if God had 'foreseen' who would choose Him of their own free will and elected them on that basis, He would have elected no one. Read Rom 9, carefully! |
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10/7/08 7:09 PM |
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Hannes van As wrote: First of all, God in His all-knowing, knew who would accept Him thus their names are written in the Book of Life even before the beginning of the world (foundations of the earth). It’s a difficult concept to grasp, because our human futile minds will never be able to grasp the fullness and timelessness of God. Remember that God is Outside of Time – He is NOT constrained by it, thus He can see the End and Beginning at Once – and He proclaimed the End from the beginning. Thus He already knows who will choose Him and who will not. You say well that it is difficult to grasp this, because you made no sense at all. Either God determined the end from the beginning OR He foresaw it! Your God is little more than a heavenly soothsayer, a fortune-teller, who is able to accurately predict what will happen and can act accordingly. The God of the Bible has DECLARED the end from the beginning. He does not just see it, He ordains it. He does not re-act to foreseen events, but acts always and only according to His express purpose. He is not the effect, He is the cause. If Romans 8:29 is forced into your theology, then Romans 8:28 is the most hollow statement in Scripture. Think about it! |
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10/7/08 7:04 PM |
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Most people who spout off against Calvinism don't have the first clue what it is. They draw pictures of sinners pleading for forgiveness while God rejects them because He did not elect them, and of others being dragged kicking and screaming into heaven against their will. Also the name 'Calvinism' is unfortunate, as it has caused a large amount of unwarranted and vitriolic criticism being levelled against a great man of God. Luther had more to say about this topic than Calvin - read his "Bondage of the Will". The question is not however, what did Calvin say or what did Luther say, but what did God say. And here a large number of so-called Fundamentalists go into Liberal Theology territory trying to explain away large slabs of Scripture. Get used to it, the Bible clearly teaches election and predestination; that is, God does the choosing and "the days are fashioned for me, when as yet there were none of them" (Ps 139).As in all these things, when God speaks our response is either "Yes Lord" or "yes, but..". Too much of "Fundamentalism" is in the 'yes, but' area these days. God speaks loud and clear on these issues, but because men can't understand or don't want to believe they argue and explain away - just like Liberals. Some Fundamentalism! |
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9/9/08 11:30 PM |
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ENGINEER wrote: "So beware, for there are many others who will lead you astray with their false teaching and their habit of leaving the Word hidden while they preach their own version of the Gospel. A few people in my humble opinion, who while being good men and women, whom I think you should be aware of are: Kenneth & Golria Copeland, Morris Cerullo, Jesse Duplantis, Fred Price, Rodney Browne, Rod Parsons, Benny Hinn, Paul & Jan Crouch, TBN, Daystar, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertson Joel Osteen and others." "The True Word of God has disappeared from the pulpit in most cases. There are some who still preach the Word, but few indeed. And, the sad thing is that this type of preaching is beginning to be more and more prominant every day.... I have nothing against these people personally - I just get upset when they call themselves Bible-believing Christians and are nothing of the kind. Their "gospel" has nothing to do with Biblical Christianity, and is solely designed to lead people astray and line the pockets of the so-called preachers. Shame on them and on those who promote them while still wanting to be recognised as Christians. |
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4/22/08 12:21 AM |
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Observation Post wrote: Icon O'Clast, I am sorry to see you leave but I also understand. Many reformed voices have come and gone for exactly the same reason. Your posts have been a real blessing to me, brother, and I am sure others as well. God bless you. . . . Wayne M., Good to see your post. We haven't had opportunity to say hello to each other for some time. God bless you, dear brother. Thank you for your kind words. May the Lord bless and keep you also. |
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4/21/08 10:29 PM |
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Total Depravity Casob - I have given you many texts which clearly show man's condition because of sin. You really think that natural man is capable of saving faith? Tell me - what is natural man capable of spiritually according to the Bible? We are dead in sin! If dead in this instance does not mean dead, then doubt can be shed on the death of Christ, for many claim He was only comatose and not dead - revived, not resurrected. Your salvation is a raising from the dead. The dead can not have faith. The just shall live by faith. This is what the whole Reformation was about. We cannot exercise faith! How can you exercise something that does not exist? So tell me Casob - where does you faith come from? I asked that question of someone earlier, but he went to hide in the woodshed. Two simple questions. What is natural man's condition because of sin? Where does your faith come from? |
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4/21/08 10:23 PM |
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Mike wrote: Judas was chosen. Was he elect? Yes he was! He was chosen to be the one who would betray Christ and he was elected, or reprobated, to eternal damnation because of his sin, rebellion and disobedience."Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?" "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." "While I was with them in the world I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled." Did Jesus want to save Judas? Did God love him? The Bible says that the word of God, His express purpose, that Word which always accomplishes His decree, was fulfilled when Judas betrayed Jesus. Judas, like Pharaoh, fulfilled the purpose of God which He had decreed from all eternity. There is a human factor where he hardened his heart, and a Divine factor, where God hardened His heart. The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom." |
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4/21/08 9:26 PM |
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Blessed is the man whom You choose and cause to approach You that he may dwell in Your courts, Ps 65:4Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son and he to whom the Son wills to reveal Him, Mt 11:27 Inherit the Kingdom, prepred for you from the foundation of the world, Mt 25:34 No one knows who the Son is, but the Father and who the Father is, but the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him, Lk 10:22 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, Jn 6:37 No one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by the Father Jn 6:65 Just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, Eph 1:4 Being predestined according to the purpse of him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, Eph 1:11 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake, Phil2:12 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, IThes 5:9 God from the beginning chose you for salvation, IIThes2:13 Who saved us, according to His own purpose and grace which was to us in Jesus Christ before time began. Elect according to the foreknowledge of God I Pet 1:1 I ask you again, is it possible for words to be any clearer???? |
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