James Thomas wrote: Allowing other Scripture to interrupt other portions of Scripture for us is far from diminishing anything God has said. Where is the biblical warrant that demands the thousand years to be interpreted literally a thousand years Bro?
Where's the one says it shouldn't?
I believe that unless context dictates otherwise, God says what He means and means what He says. Thus when the Scripture opens up by saying in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, I believe that means He literally created it. Don't have to look for a hidden meaning. I sorry brother but I don't see another Scripture showing any reason to take the word thousand to mean anything other than thousand.
I agree brother James. Which is why we don’t diminish the greatness and enormity of God that those passages are pointing out by saying the thousand years is something other than a literal thousand years
John, to add some thought to what brother Mike is saying. We find our Lord giving in Luke 11 the disciples prayer. (commonly called the Lord's Prayer). If we look at the parallel gospel in Matthew 5-7 we realize that He taught that as part of the sermon on the Mount. Matthew 5 begins with "seeing the multitudes" and the sermon ends with the following verses in chapter 7
28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes
Looks like there were people there and the disciples.
James Thomas wrote: Bro US,   Your right, one day it will not be relevant to us. Did you notice ...
Hey James great thoughts thank you. However at no time does context indicate that the thousand years that is referenced is not thought to be an actual thousand years.
Thanks James. It means time has no relevance to God. One day it will have none to us either. What would a long time to us ( a literal 1000 years) is but a literal watch in the night to God
There is much to celebrate every day brother John. It is part of rendering our praise to God for the manifold mercies, Grace, and blessings He sends to such undeserving ones as we are on a daily basis
When Scripture says a thousand years is as a day to the Lord, it is not speaking in hyperbole but context shows it is stating that God (Who inhabits eternity) is not effected or bound by time as we His. creation are.
It has been both stated and implied that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is not literal. Sister BMac has aptly shown that hyperbole is part of Scripture
Question. What precedent found anywhere in Scripture shows a thousand years when mentioned is not to be taken literally? Or maybe another use of the term thousand in the Bible where it doesn’t literally mean a thousand? Thanks for your insights.
We are glad to have a President who celebrates the sanctity of life instead of the murder of the unborn. His stance may not be perfect but he has stopped much of the federal funding for abortion and even stopped some funding for Planned Parenthood which I believe is currently tied up in the courts
Is there Biblical precedent? We read of a group destined for destruction that by government edict got a reprieve. What did they do? We see that they celebrated and even sent gifts. It didn’t stop there, they made it an annual national holiday. (See book of Esther for further enlightenment)
We rejoice with them that rejoice. Have a great day, hope you’re feeling better
Not sure where you’re coming from James. The great horn was said to be the first king of Grecia not Persia and you would have to rewrite history to say Alexander the Great didn’t defeat the Medo-Persian Empire and upon his death his kingdom was divided amongst four generals. It’s not a matter of hermeneutic rendering but historical record.
Thanks for the correction brother Lurker, hope all is well. My apologies James, thought you were saying abomination of desolations had already occurred before our Lord’s first advent.
James Thomas wrote: Antiochus IV Epiphanes arose from the part of the divided Persian empire that ruled over Israel and it is widely believed that he set up the abomination of desolation by sacrificing swine on the temple altar.
Disciples ask our Lord what will be signs of "end of the age"
Mathew 24:15 “Therefore when you see the â€abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. v. 21 for then there *will be* great tribulation
Our Lord spoke of these things as a future event.
Brother James says it happened a tad over a century and a half before His birth.
Thanks for your thoughts Neil May I suggest you read Revelation 13:16. Brother, stores don’t have checkout scanners in the back room to purchase merchandise Not a Hal Lindsey fan either
Honestly folks this is just the use of biometrics. People have to tie their credit card to their palm print. One of the most secure ways to pay with a card is with Apple/Google/Samsung pay. Your card never is public view, the number is tokenized at the time of the transaction, you don't visibly enter your passcode, and a skimmer can't take your card and pin number. This is done through either a fingerprint reader or facial recognition software on your phone (biometrics). Now in some Scandanavian countries they are using chip implants in lieu of cash and keys, that is more along the lines of what we see in Revelation. Now if your amillenial then its all figurative and none of this is cause for concern.
John UK wrote: Brother, do you believe then that there are some similarities between certain aspects of communism and the teaching of Jehovah in the OT and Jesus and the apostles in the NT?
The Lord more than once referred to His coming again with reference to a day and an hour. It would seem to be a set time predetermined by God. Men cannot hasten it or delay it. We by His grace and for His glory just need to be watchful for it and live accordingly. What a glorious day that will be!!!
John, at no time has this been a discussion about the merits of a government run healthcare. That’s a completely different topic that would be very difficult to cover in this type of forum given the character limitations. But you have described Cuba’s universal healthcare. UHC has the problem of limited resources and yes the wealthy are able to work around those limits and the not so wealthy are stuck dealing with those limits.
okay because i was mentioned in two comments, will respond.
The NHS has a number of funding sources that affect everyday purchases. There are Value added taxes (VAT) on items paid for by the consumer, business taxes that are passed on to the customer, exise fees on imports that are also passed onto the consumer and the high cost of fuel among those things that the public pay daily. Fuel alone adds to the cost of nearly everything as most products and services are delivered to the point of sale by vehicles. Transporters have to pay for the fuel and therefore include that into the delivery costs, which in turn is added to the cost of the item. The high fuel cost means all goods and services that are purchased have a higher cost due to paying for the fuel that is consumed in getting the product to market. Thus not only do you pay for fuel when you use public or private transportation, you also pay for it at restuarants, at various types of shops and stores, etc. It is part of everyday life. (no different over here)
So you have money that is part of daily expenses throughout the year paying for a portion of the NHS budget. Forgive me for not being able to say that something that is prepaid is "free" at the point of use.
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However at no time does context indicate that the thousand years that is referenced is not thought to be an actual thousand years.
