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Here's Alberto Rivera on Catholic origin of Islam:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/222227/How-the-Vatican-
Created-Islam
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lyn wrote:
Again, Islam is traced back to its founder,Muhammad {not the Catholic Church}.

Here's Walter Veith on Catholic origins of Islam, why the two religions are so similar:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zvYTpf0qC0

The Koran is a confused mass of mumbo jumbo w/ five other lesser books given to interpret but ALL AGREE Jesus was born of virgin Mary, was taken to Heaven bodily and is coming back again. Watch The Arrivals on You Tube, hear for yourself Muslims refer to Jesus as the Messiah.

I'm didn't say Muslims are born again or Christian. I said they are CLOSER to the truth than the Catholics, Mormons and definitely the Jews in their beliefs about Jesus.

Catholics give Mary and saints godlike powers, put papal decrees ahead of the Bible. This is paganism.

Mormons say God the Father was a man who had a father and had a father ad infinitum and Jesus was the firstborn of his many spirit children, Satan as his brother(Satan more the "good guy.") This is polytheism and Freemasonry.

lyn wrote:
As for the Jews, they are no different than everybody else; they are lost in sin and live a life apart from Christ. To say they 'hate' God is not for you, me, or anyone else to claim.

Hatred and utter contempt to this Jesus. But you say they are just like anybody else and no problem. But the Muslims are Satanic, dangerous, and evil even though their doctrines are closer to Christianity than either the Catholics or the Mormons, and definitely the Jews.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Banned
Whew! Do you have a theological problem.
A partial "belief" in Christ, a partial "belief" in the Messiah...

I'm just sharing some factual information here. If you disagree with these facts, bring your own. If you can't discuss this without having a heart attack, maybe just leave it alone?

Otherwise:

1. Do you disagree Muslims believe Jesus rose bodily into Heaven and that they believe Jesus is going to bodily come back at the Second Coming to conquer the antichrist and rule for 1,000 years? In this regard they refer to him as the Messiah.

2. Do you disagree that they believe Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit of the virgin Mary?

Muslims DO believe Jesus is the Messiah, call him the Messiah in that:

1. They believe he was taken bodily to Heaven and is coming back to conquer the antichrist and rule in the millenium.

2. They believe Mary was a virgin and conceived him by the Holy Ghost.

They do not see him as the suffering Messiah who died for our sins, and they call him a prophet, say he is not God. But yet they ALSO say he was conceived by a virgin of the Holy Spirit and was taken bodily to Heaven. That is what Christians believe. Perhaps they will have to believe Mary was a goddess the same way the Catholics do before they can accept Jesus as God.

Even most 'Christians' don't accept Jesus as the self-existant eternal Creator God or understand salvation either. All the phony bibles have rewritten the parts that make Jesus God the Creator. Only the KJB says Jesus is the Creator.

Prof. Veith is a former Catholic, formerly taught evolution in a large university in Canada. He has photographed cathedrals and mosques all over the world. One slide shows a famous mosque, not sure where, with a shrine in it to John the Baptist, contained supposedly his head, and the Catholics have the arm.

Muslims do as the Catholics and Anglicans, have burial vaults in their cathedrals; and every cathedral or mosque has bones of prestigious saints beneath their altars.

The Catholics did start the Muslim faith, recruited Mohammed using a nun and sorcery methods to get him under their tutalage.

What bothers me most about the Muslims is that they are the "secret army" of the Catholic church.

They also use prayer beads, and the Muslim women even dress like nuns.

These days are frightening. I do think Obomba is the antichrist, learned he is probably a descendent of the Herodian dynasty (ie King Herod who tried to kill Baby Jesus), part Bedouin.

God would save us if we repent, as in II Chronicles 7:14 -- If my people, called by my name, will humble themselves and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.

lyn wrote:
Banned~ here is an informative website...

And Muslims are are not swarthy two-headed fire-breathing monsters with a curved knife between their teeth who believe Christians need to die.

I was shocked to find out Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah born of a virgin, believe that he is coming back again, that he rose bodily to Heaven.

I do wonder why we send weapons, money and planes to Israel to rain death on the Muslims when the Jews hate Jesus and the Muslims love him.

To me this is treason against God, and there is something very evil about doing this.

lyn wrote:
They claim 'Jesus' is a Muslim prophet, a mere man chosen by their 'god', Allah.

lyn wrote:
You say the Koran is a bogus book, that is true. BUT it is the bible of the Muslim faith, so to them, it is holy.

lyn wrote:
This particular [false religion] is extremely dangerous. A deeper study of their beliefs will reveal that to you.

lyn wrote:
Banned ~ for you to claim the Muslims are 'close' to Christianity is very disturbing!

Islam was invented out of thin air by the Catholic church, according to information from Chick and others, in order to raise an army to capture Jerusalem for Rome.

Muslims adore Mary almost as a goddess, believe she conceived Jesus as a virgin.

Since I have actually LISTENED to Muslims speak about Jesus and Mary I've come to realize they love Jesus and adore Mary even more. This is fact.

Look at the big picture, not just six words from the Koran. The Koran is a bogus book anyway, probably full of contradictions.

Bottom line, Muslims revere Mary, love Jesus, believe he is the Messiah and coming back, though they say he is not God. Knowing this, I think we could easily win a Muslim to Jesus, knowing how close they are.

Try this link and there are many others by people who are expert on the Koran, which I'm not. http://www.ewtn.com/library/mary/
marykran.htm

Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote:
WHY HAS HE SPENT OVER $ 800,000.00 IN LEGAL FEES & FUNDS TO DENY HIS "LOCKED IN A STATE VAULT" BIRTH CERTIFICATE FROM PUBLIC SCRUTINY & AUTHENTICATION ?

And why have you identified yourself with the Democratic party, or any party at all, as your identity, when political parties are worldly and both parties in this case especially are evil.

And why do you rail and foam at everybody on here as though you were in a high place to judge others when you are probably in worse shape than anybody else here?

And why do you defy the rules of this board on posting? Consider the Golden Rule. If you had a forum of your own, would you appreciate people who defiantly refused to submit to the posting rules?

Mormons call their god "Heavenly Father," so Christians feel brotherly love w/ Mormons, but the Mormon god evolved, had a father who had a father ad infinitum. They worship another Jesus, and another Father, as the Bible says.

God in the Bible is holy, omnicient, omnipresent, omnipotent, Creator of all. Mormons don't believe in a god like this, but the Muslims do. Therefore Muslims are more Christian than Mormons.

The three monotheistic religions are Christian, Muslim and Judaism.

Mormons aren't monotheistic and neither are Catholics, believing their saints and Mary to have godlike powers.

Talmudic/Kabalistic Jews despise Jesus, reject the Torah, are farther away from Christianity than any religion at all.

Muslims are closest to the truth. They don't believe Jesus is God, but do believe he is conceived by the Holy Spirit, the Messiah coming back to defeat Antichrist. They love Jesus and idolize Mary almost as a goddess.

Attacking peaceful righteous Muslims w/ Shock and Awe, WWIII nuclear bombs to Iran, will result in God's final judgment on America, which curse began years ago.

They don't mind the billions of dollars spent to lay out hte streets and buildings in the shape of pentagrams and picking certain lay lines to build them on in order to pull down the powers of the Luciferian spirits.

Washington DC is loaded with statues and monuments directed to Satan and the Luciferian, Freemasonic gods and goddesses (Satan being bisexual even the female godesses still represent him) --

But don't put up a $20 cardboard cresche.

The elites are more religious than anybody but they want the populace to be atheist. Too bad these protestors don't take their complaints a bit future, lift their eyes to the Rotunda ceiling and look around a bit.

The movie the Matrix tells the truth about living in an illusion.

Lost sheep Christians appear as fluffer-nutters, urging people to "wear red on Friday," ready to start nuclear WWIII for Israel.

In fact Muslims love Jesus, believe him to be the Messiah coming back to defeat the antichrist and rule in the millenium.

The Koran teaches: Mary went to the desert to give birth to Jesus and asked God: What will I tell the men in my village why I bear a son without a husband? God told her, Let the child answer. When the men questioned her, Baby Jesus answered that his father was the Holy Spirit and Mary was innocent; the men were astounded and ran away.

Muslims believe in a holy Creator god of all, believe in the Bible, but have extra books. Mormons have extra books and DON'T believe their god is Creator of all. Catholics put papal pronouncements ahead of the Bible. And Talmudic Jews HATE Jesus.

Mike wrote:
The question is kind of silly. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Amendment 2 is the guarantee, regardless of what Obama or any other "official" wants, that you may indeed keep and bear arms. There is no law that says only government types and criminals are allowed this. There is no authority to deny the 2nd Amendment right. Any law that seeks to do so is unconstitutional, and therefore illegal.

DJC49 wrote:
You are truly "OFF -- YOUR -- NUT!"
If our government was genuinely itching for World War III with the Ruskies...And the concentration camps? Huh??? Are you serious? That's just whacky!

8/8/8 was chosen by the Luciferians to start WWIII for its numerological signifance(8 being the number of "fortuitous new beginnings)and because that date coincided w/ the opening of the Olympics whose symbol is the double-triple 8--all meant to conjure up more blessings from the Luciferian gods.

Since then the U.S. has ignored Russia's shocked pleas and threats to back off, continued to surround Russia with weapons and bases and to prepare to attack Iran. Obama's handler Zbignew Brezinski has long advocated war with China, Russia and Pakistan.