What you are feeling is pretty typical of those who live in a Calvinistic bubble. If anyone quotes the Bible to them and it doesn’t line up with what they were taught by men, then that person bringing the gospel truth must be a demon! You are playing into the Calvinist stereotype, but that’s your free choice to do so! Funny how the Biblical and traditional viewpoint is now considered demonic by Calvinist! Especially when one considers Calvinism is rooted in the teachings of the Catholic Saint Augustine and really only took hold of the church about 500 years ago. I guess everyone was demonic 1500 years before Calvinism came along!

I’ve never said that I don’t believe God forgives sins! You, on the other hand, must believe that there are no sins to forgive if they were somehow punished at the cross!

The punishment Jesus suffered was physical death on the cross. “Cursed is everyone who hangs on tree”. Not in my place because I deserved death while Jesus did not. Nowhere does it ever teach in the Bible that Jesus suffered the everlasting punishment for anyone’s sin or that anyone is righteous due to their meritorious standing with God, having Jesus somehow perfected the requirements of the law within them.

Well bless your heart!

“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:13‬

The err...nonsense, is getting pretty high from you. Did you actually read the passage? It says people are justified IN CHRIST! It is in Jesus that one’s guilt is appeased, it is the righteousness of Christ which cancels the penalty for one’s sin, not our own righteousness. We ain’t righteous!

John UK...

Just because you don’t have ears to hear doesn’t mean it’s demonic dribble! I showed you how God works in the hearts of all people through the word of God by the preaching of the gospel.

Adriel...

I get that there is a difference between carnal and spiritual. Do you also get that a believer can be carnal? That right there should show you that carnal people can be saved. Romans 8 pertains to the law and how we won’t obey it.

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:7‬

Okay, remain in your ignorance then, SMH. As I pointed out, God works in the hearts of all people. How does He do that? Oh yeah, the Word of God. We were talking about God and you got confused. My point was valid, God works in everyone’s heart through His word. Jesus was the Word and He was sent so that whosoever believes in Him will be saved.

Adriel...

You really need to read the Bible without all of the commentary. Read it anew and pray that God will clear your mind from all of the dogma and human philosophy that has polluted your mind.

There is no refuting the word of God, so you try to demonize me. I understand, you have nothing else to go to. If the Holy Spirit can do it another way, I imagine He could, the Bible doesn’t say. It only teaches that God has chosen the foolishness of the preaching of the gospel to do it. There is no other way! God then has mercy on who He will...those who repent and believe!

Adriel...

Faith is not a work, so salvation isn’t by works. Salvation is by grace to believers. In John 6, who was Jesus talking about?

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬

The word of God reveals the heart of a person by how that person responds to the message. It’s what led to the conviction of the Jews on Pentecost! Furthered by more gospel preaching to answer the question, “What must we do?”

“How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:14, 16-17‬

It is only through the gospel that one can believe, yet you say the gospel doesn’t produce conviction of sin! Lol. It doesn’t mean everyone who hears will obey it.

“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬

“And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:26-29‬

Sounds an awful lot like today to me. Add to that Israel’s return as a nation and I’d say we have maybe 20 years left.

John UK...

What do you think preaching is for if not for pricking the heart? It is through preaching that one may believe. God works in the hearts of everyone and yet they don’t always believe. That isn’t God’s fault, as if He fatalistically determined for the person to do so. God would rather have the whole world believe in Jesus and be saved.

“Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:37-38‬

Er...sounds like they could repent and be baptized to receive eternal life.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬