Discerning Believer wrote:
One of the mysteries that puzzles me is how do people like Seaton present the gospel of God's saving grace to those who are lost. Afterall, it was for them who Christ came to seek and to save. Can they honestly tell them that if they repent and believe the gospel they are saved? Can they honestly tell them that Christ took their place......

When Jesus preached He taught all these things but NOT All came to Christ.

When YOU evangelise, You teach all these things but not all receive the Truth, nor are all converted.
Only God converts not you!

When the Calvinist such as yours truly, teach/preach we do not choose the congregation, but we simply teach/preach what the Lord has provided in Holy Scriptures.

The Lord alone converts the sinner by Word, grace and Holy Spirit. I have nothing to do with the end result, it is a divine work not a Seaton work.
All I do is what I've been given to do which is share faith, teach, preach where called to do so.

No! NO! JD, we in the true Church (Reformed) are totally committed to Scripture alone. Thats why we teach the Biblical Doctrines of Grace.

You, Michael, Abigail, Yamil etc etc really must stop teaching the old Roman Dogma of salvation by works, because it doesn't work.

You sin because you are a sinner.

The answer as to why any mortal is born again is a matter of obvious Christian Knowledge and teaching.

Michael's particular point here is quote, "before repentance and faith"
BUT what Michael wants to insert here is human activity, - prior to God's intervention in any human life.

This is the same old Pelagian/Arminian/Free will "Salvation by works" of Michael's old denomination of Popery.

It would appear that this is one Roman Dogma which Michael refuses to give up.

Titus 3:5 NOT BY WORKS of righteousness which we have done, but according to HIS MERCY HE saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost"

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SINS

5 Even when we were DEAD IN SINS, hath quickened us together with Christ, (BY GRACE ye are saved)

Col 2:13 And you, being DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses

So *Dead* - that it required divine hands to quicken (make alive) - Is what the Bible states.

The correct spelling of "boloney" is with an "ey" not an "i".

6 out of 10 for your last post, and NO gold star.

Your
"I agree with Total Depravity. You are wrong about my idea of sin having little power or potency. That does not disprove free will, nor does II Peter 1:5-7."

On the free wiil question - Do you not accept that sin will have an effect upon the will of the person?
In debate with the Free Will advocates, I usually find that the Reformed consider sin (Total Depravity) to have a more powerful effect than them.

Thus in the Natural person state, sin has the negating power of preventing spiritual decision, hence grace and the Holy Spirit are required first to make the difference in bringing them to Christ.

Abigail wrote:
Michael Hranek's post
"Abigail, if you really want to understand Seaton's Calvinistic beliefs ask him to describe to you his belief about being regenerated before repentance and before faith and how he believes believing the doctrines of Calvinism, he may call them the 'doctrines of grace' is evidence of salvation."
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Can you explain that to me, Seaton?

On "Regeneration"
Those whom God has predestinated HE "Effectually Calls" by His Word and Spirit. They are brought from sin and death to grace and salvation by Christ. Given a new heart their will is renewed and thus they are drawn by GOD to Christ.**
The process of sanctification proceeds from here.

[Effectual Calling being another term for regeneration.]

How many times do we have to tell you Abigail - OSAS = Is NOT Calvinism!!!!

Abigail
said
"If we cannot lose our salvation, why did Paul instruct the Romans not to yield themselves"

As I stated before below - The Bible teaches inner struggle with sin.
That struggle belongs to the Christian. Not to the unsaved.

Abigail
said
"Why did Paul tell them that they were servants to whom they obey—...."

Apparently your idea of sin is that it has very little power or potency.
Whereas we consider it from the term Total Depravity, - which precludes man from the initial spiritual decision to come to Christ.

The real battle begins when Satan and sin are threatened by grace in the human condition.

Why did Peter advise
2Pet 1:5 "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge.....(etc vs to 7)
AND
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall"

Why thats just not fair!

Rowan Williams has rejected Bible law and precept, thereby rejecting God as author, and conducted ecumenical discussions with Muslims, Hindu's and even the papal antichrist.

And here he has the audacity to chastise poor old Charlie for his bewildering religious ignorance.
When in fact it's the Archbishop's own religion of Liberalism, which has planted this seed of confusion in the church and state in the first place.

Nope!!
I don't mean that.

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Yamil

I'm surprised you have to ask, Abigail. Surely you don't believe that when we are saved, we become perfect and sinless? Why do you think the Bible teaches and refers to inner struggle and struggle with the world?

Paul teaches, in Romans 7...
18 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

= Can you see Paul's struggle with iniquity here.

Robert wrote:
.... there is no Justification in the world for ministers of the gospel or anyone else sitting down in government, with mass murderers, Rapists , drug barrons, smugglers, whore mongerers and communists.....

"For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?"

"And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?"

"And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples."

"And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?"

"But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick."

"But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

16 Therefore pray NOT thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to me: for I will not hear thee. Jer 7.

b.a. wrote:
when there is a conflict between the popular will and the law of God

"Neutrality"
The Lord forbid ba.

Tomorrow I want you to go straight out into the community and demand that they obey every law and precept of Scripture.

If they don't
Execute them.

"Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."Psa 127.1

It is interesting to note that as the church declines so the moral propensity of a nation changes to unScriptural.

But this also demonstrates God's purpose in manifesting good versus evil, even to a world that will not see.

"But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.2Pet.2:22

False teachers and their just as false religions have a lot to answer for.