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News Item9/19/2020 1:07 AM
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Me and my family wear masks and are quite happy to have them. When I'm in a store getting groceries, I will watch people walk past and cover their faces when they pass me. Some will go so far as to stop breathing and close their eyes. Why do they do this? Firstly, they think anyone who's wearing a mask is infected, and secondly, it's instinct to cover your face if you think you've encountered a contagion. Yet, these same people won't wear the mask because they've been told it won't work.

I have no words. People are parrots and sheep and will die before using their God-given common sense.


News Item9/18/2020 11:47 PM
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Dr. Tim wrote:
Romans 7:24-25
24   O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25   I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
That we are. All of us are in the same boat. If it were not for God's mercy and grace. Let's treat each other with the same love, patience and tenderness that God gave to us, and I think we'll all be more united than ever.

News Item9/18/2020 8:56 PM
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We all have a problem with this especially when our egos get their noses out of joint. Instead of responding in love and patience, we snapback and stab each other because we're hurt. It's wrong and spawned in hell.

Remember that God forgave us of far more than we are required to forgive others of, be patient and understanding, and if it gets too hot in the kitchen, get out of there!


News Item9/18/2020 8:24 PM
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I am not arguing with you Ladybug, I hope you know that.

All I am saying is there's far too much fighting and insulting one another in the church these days.

I really think we need to be the big person and back off when the fires get stoked. You are fighting against the giant of pride who demands its rights and freedoms, come hell or high water.

Just let them have their poison and pray that God eventually opens their eyes to the truth.

Blessings and patience sister.


News Item9/18/2020 5:42 PM
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"Out of 100 men, one will read the Bible; the other 99 will read the Christian."

Imagine what the world thinks with so much fighting, contention, and bitterness between so-called saints? What's going to happen when we finally enter heaven? I think heaven will be a lot emptier than we are prepared to admit.


News Item9/11/2020 9:44 PM
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Way to go JMac. That'll show 'em! This folks is precisely NOT how a Christian leader is supposed to act. Jesus commanded us to have church indeed. Have church! Fine! Just have it online or outside. Simple.

News Item8/23/2020 10:11 AM
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Now, this is what we refer to as persecution. Persecution in the West amounts to having to put on a mask and social distance. Oh I know, your constitutional rights are being trampled on and you want to go to church to chew the fat, eh, I mean...sing and hear a pastor speak.

People in North America don't have any clue as to what true persecution is... at least not yet. Maybe spend some time and pray for those who are being persecuted, instead of feeling sorry for yourselves.


News Item8/19/2020 11:37 AM
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"How long will the fable of Romans 13 be perpetuated?"

Fable? How sad. Rebellion has drawn many away from the inerrancy of Scripture.


News Item8/18/2020 11:22 PM
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ute1 wrote:
Watcher: Your love is underwhelming. You put a poor construction on my words. I was open to conversation, but you want to shut it down.
Who is stomping a foot? Who is disobedient? Who is meek? Who is humble?
I tend to change the channel when I come up against the brick wall of ignorance and pride. Please take it as you want. You and a host of others think it's okay for a Christian to tell the gov't what to do, and a few of those like me believe that Romans 13 needs to be adhered to.

You are stomping the foot in childish bull-headedness, and I am humbly trying to be obedient and submissive to bring Jesus Christ the glory He deserves. Sharpen your pitchforks or accept my opinion with love and understanding, it's your call. Have a good night.


News Item8/18/2020 5:28 PM
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I don't have enough room here to answer everything adequately, and I don't wish for this to carry on any further. I appreciated QC's response in humility and love, and I wish there was more of this in the church. Nonetheless, let's leave this up to our conscience's sake and you continue to stomp your foot in disobedience and I'll submit in meekness and humility and we'll see where it leads us.

May God be glorified in this and I hope and pray that at the end of this pandemic, the church shines bright as a loving and Christ-like witness and not as a bull-headed child.


News Item8/18/2020 3:14 PM
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Romans 13
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

I see no loopholes or backdoors here. I see a point-blank commandment to follow.
Verse 5 says it all: you must be subject not only because of avoiding the wrath of God but also for your conscience's sake. I see no "ands, ifs or buts" here. If we start interpreting the Bible according to what WE think it should be saying, we run into trouble and will be judged accordingly.


News Item8/18/2020 12:06 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
Normalization of abnormal behavior is a key element of the Progressive platform.
How sad that Disney has pursued this approach. Something about a millstone and being cast into the depths...
Like any business, you don't bite the hand that feeds you.

News Item8/18/2020 12:04 PM
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Buckeyes wrote:
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It is not the law that is rotten- we have elected officials going rouge and discarding our laws. I don’t believe that aiding and abetting treasonous usurpation is in line with Romans 13.
It still doesn't matter. Again Americans are confusing the constitution and their so-called rights with being a Christian.

You are a Christian first and an American second, right? So be the Christian and be faithful to God by being submissive to the authorities that He put into power. Regardless of how rotten or corrupt they are, you have no right to rail on them any more than you have a right to complain about the weather. Both are controlled by God. To complain about the rulers and leaders God put into power is in fact complaining about God and admitting that He doesn't know what He's doing. Canada is rotten to the core, but I cannot complain or gripe about my leaders or I would be in essence complaining about God's choice in leaders. As long as we're not forbidden to preach Jesus then go along with the laws and mandates in love and patience.


News Item8/18/2020 10:23 AM
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I think what MacArthur is doing here is right. (Now, they probably should have gone ahead with the masks and social distancing, but that’s IMO.)
The situation in California is particularly egregious- it is against the executive orders for Christians to even hold small home Bible studies. And at the exact same time Churches were told not to sing, and given attendance caps lower than other public places, the Governor announced that there would be no restrictions whatsoever on mass BLM protests. The Executive Orders in most states are on shaky legal ground to begin with- but targeting Churches while specifically exempting other particular groups, is absolutely 100% illegal under the US Constitution. So who is really in violation of Romans 13, when elected officials are violating the Law of the Land that they swore before God and us to uphold?
I guess the point is, who has given you the right to judge? You're only responsibility is to obey. Of course, the law of the land is rotten, it's supposed to be. The world is antichristian and always has been. Rom. 13 is a flat command, not based on what sort of gov't we have.

News Item8/17/2020 9:12 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
Amen to that, Brother Watcher! Sometimes, though, we have the calling to serve thru government service. Daniel and his three buddies were more like they were impressed into government service then volunteers, but the principles remain. For those called to serve or stand, may the Lord be with them.
I think for MacArthur, he saw the handwriting on the wall and decided to step forward and stand up. Honestly, I've seen the frustration of other pastors with like mindsets, although not in California. There is a broader backdrop of Californian politics which is harshly anti-Christian. Everyone has his breaking point. My sense is that GCC hit theirs and said "Enough!" What makes GCC a special case is they are too large for the county to handle. Smaller churches would have been forced to knuckle under by now.
From my standpoint as an observer watching from afar, I see persecution coming, and it won't be pretty. There will be two camps of Christians: Those who stand firm for their rights and be trodden under as aggressors, and those who will quietly do the Lord's work and be martyred. The quiet martyr is always preferred in my opinion. Blessings.

News Item8/17/2020 8:54 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
That's an honest assessment, Watcher. What makes it hard is that most of us see our citizenship and form of government having been crafted by men with faith in light of that faith and based on Biblical principle. Another factor is that we have a Christian responsibility to be salt and light in this world, and one way we can do that is through the operation of the government and our influence over it... Here in the US, it also means we may protest the government. So I hear you, and fully admit my own bias. I need Jesus' covering every second.
Thank you for your humility and honesty in this matter. It's refreshing to hear! What has helped me is to remember that I am an ambassador in this world. Ambassadors do not settle down, run for gov't in another country, or try and change the laws. They do try and influence others to make changes which is fine. Being a Christian ambassador, I do my utmost to influence society by spreading the Gospel, untainted with Americanism or Canadianism, or any other preconceived ideals. Just the Gospel as Christ preached it. This disobedience I'm seeing both of our countries is saddening and it has nothing to do with Christ. It's a social gospel that will never win souls.

News Item8/17/2020 8:28 PM
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Ladybug: It comes down to paying the bills. Honestly, this is the truth for basically everyone. We all have bills and responsibilities and I can imagine the massive bills GCC has. Lockdown doesn't bode well for churches or any business.

From a Canadian standpoint (it seems I have no choice but to admit to this), Americans have an immense problem separating their citizenship and their faith. I keep hearing this over and over where Christians keep confusing their citizenship in heaven and their rights and freedoms under their Constitution on earth. These must be kept separate or priorities get blurred and confused. It's not tyranny to order mask-wearing social distancing. It's called being responsible and loving to those who are weaker than ourselves.


News Item8/17/2020 7:50 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
I hear you, Brother Watcher, and one this one we disagree.
Paul had no input or role in the Roman Empire other than taxpayer. In the US, there is a different political system, at least for now. I'm sure that if we took this far enough, we'd wind up debating whether my great, great, great, etc grandfathers were right in going to war against the Crown to separate, in rebellion. Yours may well have declined to join us upstarts. One of the rallying cries of that conflict was "No king but Jesus!" The same Presbyterians who had upheld the royalty, to their peril, had offspring that stood against the royal lineage of GB.
I suppose it gets down to whether you are an American first and a Christian second or the other way around? I suppose that choice is between you and God. For me, I am a Christian first and foremost and a Canadian citizen second, and it's got nothing to do with the American Way or anything else for that matter, but an unwavering obedience to God.

News Item8/17/2020 7:11 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
I suppose, Brother Watcher, how one defines the requirements of worship and whether gathering virtually is sufficient or what the nature of gathering together is required.
If we believed the government and that this is really all about the pandemic, I personally believe the church closure orders would be easier to accept. But because the closure seem to be politically motivated and our governments are of the people, by the people, and for the people, men like MacArthur are establishing whom they will serve - the Lord or the state. While it is the blending of political right with Biblical viewpoint, even those who are complying are doing so with increasing frustration.
Like MacArthur,... Should MacAurthur have done so? Are we not to pursue justice based on actual truth.
And again it comes back to personal choice rather than being obedient. Sorry, I don't agree and I doubt Paul would have either being under Nero's rule.

News Item8/17/2020 6:18 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
Watcher, I appreciate your stance for the word of God and particularly Romans 13. Perhaps our American experience in withstanding what we considered tyrrany at the hands of Parliment and King George III colors our stance.
I must ask, Brother, how you consider the actions of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in Daniel 3? Or the insistence of Moses to Pharoah that Israel be released to go three days journey into the wilderness to worship the Lord in Exodus 5:1-3 which Pharoah would not allow?
Because they were told that they were to worship false gods rather than their own true God. The same instance can be seen when Peter and John in Acts 4 were forbidden to preach in the name of Jesus. They refused the order and went straight back to preaching. We are not being told that we cannot preach Jesus, we are being told not to congregate in large groups. Simple. With the technology we have at our disposal today, online church is entirely feasible, yet the church continues to stand in disobedience. Either way anyone slants it...it still is disobedience.

BTW the Hebrews didn't leave until they received permission.

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