I believe the King James Bible that I hold in my hand to be the actual, true Word of God in the English language.

Do you believe your NASB to be the actual, true Word of God in the English language?

Don't post links. Answer the question. Clearly and concisely. Don't go around the world. Answer the question.

I know where the true Word of God was before my KJV came to be. I can trace it back through the centuries.

If you believe your NASB to be the real Word of God, where was God's Word before it (the NASB) came into being? It differs greatly from the KJV in MANY places so it cannot possibly have the same pedigree as the KJV so where was it for all those centuries? Do you believe God was hiding His true Word from us for all those centuries?

If the NASB is NOT God's Word in English, what is? The NIV? The NRSV? But they cannot all be - they all differ greatly. So where is it? Where has it been hiding? The 'originals'? But they are long gone! Has God been playing a shell game with us? You may think so but I certainly don't. I believe He has preserved His Word for His sheep. Do you?

Where was God's Word before your NASB?

Don't post links. Please answer my question sensibly. Use your own knowledge or beliefs - not Gil Rugh or James White quotations.

I would also encourage anyone who loves God's Word to join the Bible League Trust and to subscribe to The Bible League Quarterly magazine (Mr. Thackway is the editor): http://www.bibleleaguetrust.org/

Why is it that so many millions of people in centuries past have read the AV and grasped it's message with no problem? Why has it suddenly become so difficult to comprehend? Has everyone just become incredibly dumb? Have we all lost our reading comprehension skills? I don't think so. Rather, I believe people have become Biblically ignorant due to the proliferation of new 'translations'.

Thomas Nelson, Zondervan and Tyndale have spent millions (if not billions) of dollars in the past 30 years to convince everyone that they are incapable of understanding the language of the King James Bible. Why do you suppose that is? If the advertising didn't work, believe me, they wouldn't be spending the money.

I'm not going to jump into this argument because I believe every point that can be made has been made on this and other SA Bible version threads over the last few years. You obviously have your own (or Gil Rugh's) opinion and you will not consider any reasonable refutation.

That said, you need to be careful what you say here. If God's hand was indeed guiding the development and preservation of the AV - and the evidence is STRONGLY in favor of that fact - you are treading on VERY dangerous ground. If the Holy Spirit was involved in the inspiration of the originals (He was) and the preservation of the translation God has honored for 400 years (He is), you are playing with fire. Mark 3.28 & 29.

"Ain't Christian liberty a wonderful thing?"

Indeed it is!

I am, however, going to ask this for the sake of argument (and no I personally do not keep the Sabbath on Saturday):

So can we now kill? Can we now take the Lord's name in vain? Can we now commit adultery? May I now steal in the name of liberty? Which other parts of the decalogue were done away with?

I have heard every argument that can be made on both sides thru the years and I must say I have never heard one that convinces me that the Sabbath was changed or that believers have no obligation to observe it (even though I do not keep the Saturday Sabbath). In fact, a very good argument can be made that the RC cult instituted the change to Sunday.

His self-esteem claptrap has been devastating (men who carry their crosses have died to themselves, they don't esteem themselves) and his whiny 'meet her needs' teaching has caused more friction in marriages than he can imagine. How many men have come home after working all day to support their families, only to find their wife in a self-absorbed snit after listening to Dobson whine & cry on the air with a roundtable of women whose perceived selfish 'needs' aren't being met?

Even the few things he is right about, he qualifies with some worldly, compromising disclaimer.

Dobson appears to be a Freudian psychologist (ever hear him mention SIN?), a theistic evolutionist (Hugh Ross makes him giddy), and the high priest of all of the self-this, self-that teaching that has overtaken Christian churches, sermons and music like a tidal wave.

"...anyone who donates to them after this is nuts."

Anybody who has ever sent James Dobson a nickel is terribly misguided.

When I was in Bible college (dispensational teaching was in it's heyday), the course on eschatology was based on a book written by a strict dispensationalist from Dallas Theological Seminary. The more I studied and compared dispensationalism with the Bible, the more I realized that it was simply not accurate. There is no basis for expecting a 'pre-trib rapture' without REALLY stretching Scripture and taking numerous verses out of context.

Like John, I would never go so far as to say that I'm not wrong, but based on my own study of the Word, I just do not see a 'rapture' as taught by many.

Much like Jim 'Links' Lincoln's beliefs regarding Bible texts & translations: When you study the subject and do your own homework, you quickly find that it just doesn't hold up under honest scrutiny.

It's tragic that there are so many who claim the name of Christ yet see no problem with this woman who has essentially neglected her God given reponsibilities at home in clear violation of His Word. Her husband ought to be ashamed of himself for allowing (maybe encouraging?) her to do it.

He's also a lot like that Murray A guy who used to post on SA all the time. He pulls some obscure piece of information out of his hat (that may or may not be accurate) that there is no way in the world his opponent would have had any way of knowing to make himself appear intelligent. He's also good at denigrating his detractors when they have him on the ropes. I'm sure he was a champ on his debate team in high school.

The Trinitarian Bible Society will send you a free Bible (or Bibles) if you cannot afford one and request it.

Also, TBS is a registered charity that uses all net income (above operating expenses) to provide free Scriptures to those who cannot afford them, all over the world. They give away loads of Bibles every year. They offer only the AV in the English language because they firmly believe that it is by far the most trustworthy. They also offer the Scriptures in other languages that are based on an uncorrupted textual base. They give a lot of those away, too. Many people in far corners of the earth have access to the Scriptures today that they would not otherwise have if not for the TBS.

Every year TBS publishes an annual report detailing precisely what they take in (they never ask for money), what goes out and how many free Bibles, calendars, Scripture portions, etc. are provided free of charge to those who request them.

I know of no organization on earth that is more careful in handling what God has provided them or tries harder to be clear and accountable to it's many supporters.