Mike wrote: It is good to determine the crux of the matter.
Trust you are keeping well, Mike.
Though Christ when responding to Thomas' challenge only mentioned his hands and side to him, he mentioned his hands and feet to scared and unbelieving disciples as in Luke 24,
"... Jesus stood in the midst of them ... But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit ... And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Beholf my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit has not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet."
See where you come from, John, about the cult to the sign or emblem of the cross via RC folklore.
However, every time the word crucified, or even cross, appears in NT the corresponding Greek term is stauros, a pole, and the idea is to impale, hung up, or to be 'lifted up' as mentioned in John 3 for instance, when alluding to the type of the serpent being lifted up on the pole in the desert. Prophetically, we read 'curse upon any one hanging on a tree', say a pole, or to be impaled to death by that way. As in Deuteronomy, "And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree"
Yet, Psalm 22:16 and the post resurrection incident with Thomas points to the piercing of hands and feet.
The applied theology of the 'cross' is the dying to self portrayed in passages as this, "And he that takes not his cross, (stauros) and follows after me, is not worthy of me"
Mike wrote: Thank you to all my "kin" in the Lord. Very much appreciated. A reminder to me that, though we may have differing views on different subjects, there is a time when those differences seem small when compared to what we share.
Sure, Mike. It is the bond of Christ that unite us, and the tint/strand of indwelling flesh that still occasionally divides us.
Thinking of you, in the confidence that the One pitying us from heaven and interceding for us in glory will be your eternal stead at this critical time.
The Quiet Christian wrote: I concur... YIA is not from the US and has spent some amount of time in East Asia. I don't always agree with him, but he often has reasonable points from a different perspective. While Dr. Tim is correct that the US has done much for the cause of Christ and the advancement of His kingdom, we also have the major cultural influencers of the West...and I dare say they are the most ungodly brood of vipers. Still, YIA is a young man. His last post showed some wisdom. His posts usually do. And if he is having a tough day or moment due to his current personal circumstances...I've had my share too...and I don't mind if he vents a little.
Youth from Asia's wisdom often derives from stating the obvious, for which he should not be at fault.
Yes, America has assimilated, most of the time without a pressing sense of shame, but rather ingenious pride, the Hollywood culture nurtured in their land as pack and parcel of their commendable, entertaining 'gift' to the world, with all its value system as a package.
Yet, the sins of Sodom identified in Ezequiel run in common with the Western cultures she leads.
"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness"
John UK wrote: Dr Tim, what?! Confess every single sin?! We don't know all our sins. We are far worse than we imagine. Note what a great preacher said: "The subject of this morning's discourse will be this â€” CONFESSION OF SIN. We know that this is absolutely necessary to salvation. Unless there be a true and hearty confession of our sins to God, we have no promise that we shall find mercy through the blood of the Redeemer. "Whosoever confesseth his sins and forsaketh them shall find mercy." But there is no promise in the Bible to the man who will not confess his sins. Yet, as upon every point of Scripture there is a liability of being deceived, so more especially in the matter of confession of sin. There be many who make a confession, and a confession before God, who notwithstanding, receive no blessing, because their confession has not in it certain marks which are required by God to prove it genuine and sincere, and which demonstrate it to be the work of the Holy Spirit." C.H.Spurgeon
"John did baptize .... and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins."
May the Lord of peace minister peace to your soul, Mike. Those that are Christ's, have the mind of Christ to sorrow with peace. May you be granted such in all.
"Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, (even in this circumstance) working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
Though all men are equally guilty before God of sin, different nations, individuals or/and church strands on earth may demonstrate at times particular sin tendencies more intensly than others due to their past, heritage, custom, culture or settings.
This is a Biblical fact. When reading the prophets as Amos or Isaiah for instance, one can see how God charges and denounces specific sins for each nation. For instance, God held against Edom his hatred for Israel, but he did not point the same to Elam, he pointed other sins to Israel, and different ones to Syria, etc...
The same fact can be observed when reading the 7 letters in Revelation. Each church had strengths along certain slants in need of curving. Where some abounded, others were lacking. Not all had the problem of tolerating the Nicolites. The church on earth today suffers the same reality.
Has America been exceeding generous towards world missions, this might not cover up for other sinful idiosyncrasy, and the same applies to all other nations on the earth.
Youth from Asia has an external perspective towards which American Christians should not be resentful, annoyed, or offended, but thoughtful. It takes a distant look to perceive what a close one may miss.
Frank wrote: Rick Warren is a charlatan and his emergent church movement is from satan. All he does is promote a works based, feel good; system of salvation and his ecumenicalism is obvious. I once did a lengthy study on the emergent church and it amazes me how many people were confused by him. Here is a quote from him: "Today there really aren't that many Fundamentalists left; I don't know if you know that or not, but they are such a minority; there aren't that many Fundamentalists left in America ... Now the word 'fundamentalist' actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith.* And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity." The Five Fundamentals of the Faith that Rick Warren was referring to are 1.The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2. The Virgin Birth. 3. The Blood Atonement. 4. The Bodily Resurrection. 5. The inerrancy of the scriptures. And,John Piper actually spoke at his church and invited him to his.
Thank you for your remarks.
On the other hand, at least in Britain, people are not turning to the living God, but are becoming more secularised, making the NHS their 'saviour', and never acknowledging any one above that. The cult to the NHS is the theme on vogue.
John UK wrote: If anyone would care to take the trouble to research the history and read the scholarly inspections of, the corrupt ms called the Sinaiticus, it will inevitably lead them to further study of the unregenerate men involved in the creation in 1881 of the Revised Version, which was a stepping stone to all other modern corrupt versions of the Bible in English. Oh, and another good thing to do, while you're at it, is to make an intense study of liberalism within the Church of England. Check out the literature of such men, especially their Bible expositions, and convince yourself that they did not know Jesus Christ, they were never justified through faith, they were unregenerate and deceived impostors, and to respect them as having any authority in the matter of Greek texts is showing a lack of wisdom. Drs Westcott and Hort come under this category, men whom I have no respect for.
Chrisgp from England wrote: Dear Mr Boyd, why are so many people trying to defend the modern bibles, when they are clearly based on the work of 4 liberal theologians, 2 Anglican liberals from Cambridge (Westcott and Hort), one of them by the way was involved in spiritism, (he ran a â€śGhostly Guildâ€ť or psychical research society), and 2 Continental liberal theologians, Nestle and Aland, and based on two texts, one from the Vatican Library, and the other discovered in a waste paper basket of a Greek Orthodox monastery in the Sinai desert. Yes, God is sovereign, and people can be saved through preaching from the modern Bibles, if the preacher or pastor is evangelical enough, but why use something deficient when you can stay with a much better and more solid translation. The 17th century translators of the KJV/AV were brilliant and godly men, and were not employed by publishing companies anxious to make a profit and establish a copyright trademark. Many people all over the world prefer to use the KJV/AV if their church uses English, even if it is not their first language.
Thank you, brother, for this mighty defence of true facts. It is deplorable to observe the crowd of slanted preachers towards the matter!!! Every blessing
Unprofitable Servant wrote: 1. My apologies, I have already opted out of that discussion. If you had taken the time to read my posts you would know I believe that the resurrection is part of the daily Christian walk (see Romans 6:4) and also the premise of your question is inaccurate.
2. On what authority do you arrive at your figure of 95% of church is apostate and that AIG is demonically deceptive, pretty strong statements that appear to have no backing.
3. CES wrote The Billy Graham EA has on their website, to observe the *lenten season* 2/25/20.They also are using the popish wordâ€”penitence â€”in their article.đźĄµ. My how far they have fallen.
1. Unprofitable, as usual it appears you want to hold hands to two ends, marrying tradition along with biblical doctrine.
2. Perhaps the 95 % comes determined by the real percentage of the evangelical church taken with what you wish to defend here.
3. Not 'fallen' really, they have been on that trend for a long time, only they have come to the end of the ecumenical trip: union with Rome.
John UK wrote: Yes, I thought the article was very poor, and "answersingenesis" ought never be regarded as authoritative, especially when compared to the scriptures, which God has preserved miraculously, when much historical records are lost forever.
Yes, John, we all look through an imperfect glass the glories that await us, (2 Cor. 3:18) yet many are on 'coloured' glasses regarding the interpreting of current customs. Keep safe in the trust of his good will for you.
John UK wrote: "The daily or weekly service....." Now here is another thing that tradition has foisted upon the unsuspecting Christian world: the idea that there is such as a thing as a "service" provided every Sunday morning and evening. ... someone is providing you with a service; they are doing something for you, and you pay for it. That is NOT the NT way of going on. A church is to meet together in a building to make use of their individual spiritual gifts, given to them by Jesus. The people there are all born again and they all have gifts to be used. Sometimes they will receive, sometimes they will give. Nowhere in the NT is there a concept of a church service; rather it is a gathering of saints for mutual benefit. But it is all part of the falling away. There is very little true representations of the church of Jesus Christ in the world today, just a mishmash of the ideas of men, extra-biblical activities ... and the true believers are becoming isolated and regarded as the offscouring of the world ...
Yes the term 'service' derives from an institutionalised church, yet when we meet together we 'minister' one to another as you say, and this is a service we give each other, which is profitable and acceptable unto God. ICor.14:26